Exploration lines and arrows

[limeyx]

Etienne,

It was a group of divers with the Cambrian Foundation. I'm glad you found it helpful. We didn't think of it, we were just copying what Mike Madden and his group did in Nohoch Na Chich.

Looking forward to seeing the video.

Andy

I love seeing info like this as well, and I think it's sad that things get yanked on the whim of a single individual.

I am all for leaving the history of the exploration in the cave as long as much as possible, and Camilo, Chan Hol and Nohoch are/were excellent examples of this.

There's something special (to me) about seeing an arrow marked "Madden 95" or "Nohoch/The Bear" with a year marking etc.

Nick

[t0by]

There's a lot of "glory marker" arrows in caves in Mexico. I get the "I was here" aspect and it is nice to see original explorer arrows.

But... I prefer to see an arrow being useful. Pointing to the closest exit, with the distance marked (metric, por favor).

[phillip1]

Glory markers are NOT the same thing as original arrows and have no place in any cave, unless you explored it or had something to do with the exploration, survey or were part of that particular cave project in some way IMHO you don't have any right to leave an arrow with your name on it in any cave.

[Neptuno]

I think the thread is about original arrows, not glory markers, I do think the first is to try to find out the exploration team, if the line or marker is broken replace it! if not ask first.
in la jeringa in about a year and 1/2 since surveyed I had removed at least 15 stupid arrows and even lines.

we did find out some cool info down here thanks to original explorer arrows, in a cave with about a zillion divers a day is a different story, but find a cave in the middle of the jungle and find a line inside, after you get really pissed because someone else found it first, is cool to see who was it

[Attchoum]

after you get really pissed because someone else found it first

good one!!!!!!!

[phillip1]

We were looking for caves here a while ago and found a extremely cool one in the middle of the jungle hidden under a big tree, Thomas and I were sure we were the first to dive it.
We tied off and went down and a ways in the cave there was a line! we both looked at each other in disbelief as no one on the island had even ever heard f this cave.

Further into the cave we came upon an arrow with the name Games on it with no date, after trying to find out who that was turns out it is Gabriel Games a Brazilian cave explorer who was here in the early to mid 90's, he might have been the first to dive El Dudu and make the connection to the Cueva de Lily sinkhole.

Games published an article in a Brazilian dive magazine with a map of El Dudu showing a third entrance between Cueva de Lily and the main sink (which may have collapsed as it is not accessible anymore) and on his map it shows a line called the Rob Palmer line so maybe they were here together.

Although we were a bit disappointed to not be the first it was nevertheless really cool to see the original arrow and to try and find out who the diver was and try and figure out when he dove this and what other out of the way (and this one was way out of the way) caves Games might have also discovered, now if it were just a generic arrow it would have made that whole thing way less interesting, so unless absolutely necessary leave original arrows in place!

[FW]

I heard a great story this weekend. The guy I was diving with went on an expedition several hundred miles from civilization, went into a cave and found a line. He, and his whole team were disappointed. Then he remembered that he had put the line in himself a couple decades earlier

[Neptuno]

hehe that was funny forrest...

and about phillip story, just happen that I knew the guy that put the arrow because it was my padi course director when I did my instructor in brazil which was very active cavediver at that time

[limeyx]

I think the thread is about original arrows, not glory markers,

Indeed, I have no use for Glory, "Oh look how far I got into the cave, mom" type markers.
The ones I am talking about are from the original explorers and are really awesome (for me) to see when diving in the cave.

[RN]

I heard a great story this weekend. The guy I was diving with went on an expedition several hundred miles from civilization, went into a cave and found a line. He, and his whole team were disappointed. Then he remembered that he had put the line in himself a couple decades earlier

Too funny!