Help close Eagle's Nest.

[phillip1]

All the hoopla about this recent accident is nothing compared to the current real safety situation, in reality 99.9% of untrained cave diving is actually done under the "guidance" of full cave instructors and Instructor trainers who mislead unsuspecting open water clients into thinking that they were only cavern diving when in fact they were taken on full cave penetration and did not even know it.

This IMO is infinitely worse and it is being done on a daily basis in Mexico and the DR, Florida I do not know but I have a hunch it is going on there too and I also have a hunch that just like in Mexico and the DR all the agencies and people in charge know full well what instructors are doing this, when and where, and that no sanctions are ever handed out.

You say people are willing to put they're lives in the hands of experts, well I know form experience here in the DR and also in Mexico that 99% of these clients don't even know they were taken into the cave zone, when I board a plane I put my life in the hands of pilots who I hope uphold all safety standards, open water clients deserve the same and the training agencies should step up to remove the few unscrupulous instructors who partake in this kind of unsafe diving.

Yeah we can all go on and on about what idiots these two were, how irresponsible etc.. but think about the mindset of a full cave instructor who takes open water clients way past the cavern zone, don't you guys think that is far worse? IMO they are the cancer of this sport and should all be removed.

[cerich]

. We in turn encouraged display of C-Cards and run times destinations on dash boards, for EN as well as Buford.
.

Maybe the community could get a sign posted there that states "Diving Eagles Nest requires that divers be FULL Cave and Tri Mix Trained. Please display your Certifications on the dash of your vehicle along with estimated return time. Thank You"

It won't have the force of law...but over time it will seem that way and in the meantime it will help us peer pressure each other to be qualified. You know cave divers will check out the cards on the dash to see who is in the system

[thatcampbellkid]

Maybe the community could get a sign posted there that states "Diving Eagles Nest requires that divers be FULL Cave and Tri Mix Trained. Please display your Certifications on the dash of your vehicle along with estimated return time. Thank You"

It won't have the force of law...but over time it will seem that way and in the meantime it will help us peer pressure each other to be qualified. You know cave divers will check out the cards on the dash to see who is in the system

+ 1

[Captain Bil]

Maybe the community could get a sign posted there that states "Diving Eagles Nest requires that divers be FULL Cave and Tri Mix Trained. Please display your Certifications on the dash of your vehicle along with estimated return time. Thank You"

It won't have the force of law...but over time it will seem that way and in the meantime it will help us peer pressure each other to be qualified. You know cave divers will check out the cards on the dash to see who is in the system

+2.

[curtschu]

+3 add a statement not having proper credentials could result in ejection from the park. Not that it will but it could....

[cavediver256]

Maybe the community could get a sign posted there that states "Diving Eagles Nest requires that divers be FULL Cave and Tri Mix Trained. Please display your Certifications on the dash of your vehicle along with estimated return time. Thank You"

It won't have the force of law...but over time it will seem that way and in the meantime it will help us peer pressure each other to be qualified. You know cave divers will check out the cards on the dash to see who is in the system

+ 1

+2.

+3 add a statement not having proper credentials could result in ejection from the park. Not that it will but it could....

So you all honestly believe another sign or empty threat of being ejected would prevent someone without the proper training from diving Eagle's Nest??? There is already a system in place to prevent this type of thing. A system that has prevented each and everyone of us that are posting here from making this same boneheaded move and dying in a cave….. Adding to the current system would not have made a difference in this case. What makes you think anything else would have stopped him???

[curtschu]

Maybe the myth of gear confiscation for misdemeanor trespass keeps people out of some caves .

[cavediver256]

I guess Curt, but I honestly believe that somehow Mr. Spivey was gonna find a way to do exactly what he was doing…. regardless of the regulations/rules that he had to bypass. I just think that there is nothing more that anyone could have done to stop him from what he was doing. I am sure he is the "one" everyone is focused on right now, but I would be willing to bet, that for every one that we see, there are 10 that we don't see….and the only thing that is gonna stop them from circumventing current "rules" is the same thing that stopped Darrien Spivey and his son……

[curtschu]

I guess Curt, but I honestly believe that somehow Mr. Spivey was gonna find a way to do exactly what he was doing…. regardless of the regulations/rules that he had to bypass. I just think that there is nothing more that anyone could have done to stop him from what he was doing. I am sure he is the "one" everyone is focused on right now, but I would be willing to bet, that for every one that we see, there are 10 that we don't see….and the only thing that is gonna stop them from circumventing current "rules" is the same thing that stopped Darrien Spivey and his son……

I agree, Spivey was a special kind of stupid, he and his son were actually doing full cave level dives all over Florida. There was entries on Caveatlas and Facebook photos from Little River. I'm more targeting the OW divers that are diving there because they found direction on a website.

[thatcampbellkid]

So you all honestly believe another sign or empty threat of being ejected would prevent someone without the proper training from diving Eagle's Nest??? There is already a system in place to prevent this type of thing. A system that has prevented each and everyone of us that are posting here from making this same boneheaded move and dying in a cave….. Adding to the current system would not have made a difference in this case. What makes you think anything else would have stopped him???

Nah, I think that is more for the rest of us so that we can look out for the stupids... for our own safety!
None of us would have a problem complying, its the ones we should be on the look out for that would have a problem doing this.