Rules of Engagement?? what have you done?

[Reddiver]

I was at Ginnie the weekend of the NACD safe thing. And My dive buddy and I watch a feman instructor and some of her students in the ear. On of them went right on in the ear to the cavern zone no light. And she was pushing a guy down in the hole and he really didn't what to go. His eyes where so big they filled the mask up. All you could see was the whites of his eye's. He finally got around her and came up and she put her hand out for another student to grab and she pull a girl down and she didn't like it. So they came up and went down the river behind a canoe with a dive flag on it.

[aainslie]

Think of an OW card like a diploma. Just because my instructors taught me, and tested me, on all the requirements for a diploma, doesn't mean I still utilize the information or have even retained it. The diploma is still valid because it simply means that at one point in time, I met the requirements.

Forest is right on the money.

Shirley, I'd take offense if I were you and mistaken for an old bearded guy...

[sskasser]

Shirley, I'd take offense if I were you and mistaken for an old bearded guy...

ROFL...I was waiting for Forrest to express his indignation at the mis-identification. Heck, I can hardly even grow a beard, much less aspire to Forrest's facial hair follicle superiority!

[DA Aquamaster]

You both got line arrows in the avtars. I never bring up facial hair with women - it's a sure loser no matter what the facts may be.

[BabyDuck]

I don't recall - I was distracted by the hot, young rebreather student with the British accent that he was with.

want to rephrase??

and he knows shirley from forrest. must be distracted by remembering that girl. she *was* a cutie.

[Gene Powell]

This situation seems to come up once or twice a year, but I've only got one decent story.

It happened while decoing in the Ear at Ginnie about ten or so years ago. Two OW rigged divers entered the hole and stopped at the log and chain. After some gesturing and pointing toward the cave entrance, one pulled out a small light and started for the opening. I caught the other diver's attention, wagged my hand and head in an emphatic "NO" -- he hesitated, then stopped. The first diver either didn't see my warning or ignored it and kept heading in. I caught up just as he began pulling himself through the restriction and grabbed him by the tank valve. After a few seconds of struggling, got him loose and the flow took care of the rest.

A few minutes later, after he and his buddy regained his composure on the surface, they tried again. This time I simply blocked them, shaking my head firmly "NO", and refusing to allow him to pass. I pointed to his "OW" marked wrist band, pointed to the cave, and shook my head "NO" a couple of times. After a minute or so, they finally left and I completed my deco obligation (about ten minutes).

When I surfaced they were waiting at the steps. One was pretty irate (I figured he was the guy I wrestled with) but the other was quiet. Mr. Irate started bitching loudly as I organized my stage and deco bottles, removed my fins and climbed out of the water. At the top of the steps I told him that I'd just saved their (f*#&%@g) lives and this was a pretty sorry thank you. I then suggested we head over to the office and ask my friends what they thought about this situation. Mr. Irate calmed down and they decided to go dive the Ballroom instead.

Was it the "right" thing to do? I suppose that depends on how you look at it. When Mr. Irate questioned me as to my authority to keep he and his buddy out of the cave, I simply replied that every cave diver has not only the authority but an obligation to keep OW divers from killing themselves in "our" caves. Now I'm not entirely comfortable with that position, but it did make an impression on Mr. Irate and his friend, and I would prefer that "our" caves remain open, so that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Wow! I would have been afraid he would have a) panicked and combined with the flow, made an uncontrolled ascent and embololized b) Spit out his regulator, gotten pinned under the log and died or c) pulled out his 10" machete from his ankle and created a new cavern in my torso!
No offense, but it's not actually a crime to cave dive without being a certified cave diver. I'm pretty sure it's a crime to impersonate a law enforcement officer, or assault someone.

[Line Squirrel]

I loaned Tom Mount some dry suit zipper lube and it was at Ginnie with OW divers nearby. Does that count?

If you think that makes you

if Tom Mount was your personal buddy or something

Then you may be a stalker.

[HeloDriver]

I'm pretty sure it's a crime to impersonate a law enforcement officer, or assault someone.

How did he impersonate a law enforcement officer.... ?

[Gene Powell]

How did he impersonate a law enforcement officer.... ?

The "Cave Police". Gotcha!

[adam0321]

this has taken off alot better then I thought