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Hmm, I smell a troll. :-)
CDF is really missing out on the LIKE BUTTON... there are so many things I would just LIKE rather than comment on.Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
I feel like NAUI Cave 1 was the PERFECT certification for me. Like you said, gives me the training required to be able to complete the skills within that certification. I can do 2 nav decisions (doesn't mean I should run out and do it) which allows me to work up to that level. I've only done 2 jumps outside of class and that was with way more experienced divers leading the way.
I was Cavern certified for 3 years before I took the Cave 1 class and albeit to EVERYONE elses chagrin I will probably be Cave 1 for at least as long (thankfully my cert doesn't expire :) )
Those OW divers were violating their standards... we are all adults, but then they don't have gas limitations and are not in an over head environment. I tell my students there is NOTHING stopping them from diving to 300 feet after they are certified, but that I really wouldn't suggest it because they don't have the training or experience.
I do believe that when the 6ths rules were created there was a reason for it but maybe now it is time to revisit those reasons.
Just like Nantahala falls was a class IV-V in the 70's IV in the 80's III in the 90's and I THINK now it's considered a II-III rapid... Skills improve with equipment rapids get down graded. Why isn't it the same with standards.
Not arguing, just trying to make a valid point.
:)
Tim
Keep up with the posts, your falling behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by nakatomi
BINGO :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TracyN
they want to hate me so much that they just fall right into line when I want them too.
Apart from wasting peoples time with the trolling, it's your reputation that you are flushing down the drain. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
I really like GUEs cave 1 limit of 1/3 of 2/3s. It's gives one enough gas (more than 1/5 but less than 1/4) to not want to break standards and enough reserve to deal with a situation.
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Listen to Pete and Draker and I never had a reputation to begin with. I am NOT the one that takes these posts on a downward spiral, sorry if I threaten some ones Man Card because I don't dive with a dry suit. But when everyone starts attacking I can either go cower in the corner or feed the flames.... I choose to feed the flames.Quote:
Originally Posted by nakatomi
If you want to see how I dive, lets go dive. If you don't like the way I dive afterwards you never have to get in the water with me again.
:)
Tim
There were several,some with things involving DPVs. If you think about it the safest cert level is cavern diving. Remember a certified cavern diver having an accident while diving with in their level (School sink and P3 don't count)? We have cavern diving accidents in Mexico,but those are noncertified cenote tours.Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
I think that "diving within their level" is the key here. School sink, and P3 were certainly beyond the cavern level. The intro diver that died in P1 doing a circuit, was way over intor level. Same for the intro diver on the DPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
I agree. This is a much needed feature from which we could all benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
OR, you could just spend less time posting and actually go diving.
Reading and writing about cave diving is not going to help your trim, buoyancy, or SAC issues. Nor will you learn how to quit bouncing of the ceiling.
You recently posted something on FB about a 1.9 SAC. I honestly had no idea that was possible.
Here is my offer to you. Once you have a well fitting, fully functional drysuit and know how to use it, send me a message and we'll go for a dive. Somewhere shallow, simple and easy. Somewhere that doesn't violate any of your standards. And somewhere well within your comfort level and commensurate to your abilities.
But please, for the love of all that is holy, in the meantime, go DIVING. Gain some actual experience. Work on your skills. Perfect your buoyancy.
And most importantly, quit posting all this nonsense.
What kind of cave instructor would let you pass a cave class when you constantly bump into the ceiling? In some caves you would really break a lot of stuff when you do that... that's pretty sad, don't you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
If this is all a joke and I'm not getting it, than I'm sorry.
If you are being serious about this constant ceiling bumping, your instructor clearly shouldn't have let you pass any kind of cave class.
Again... you OBVIOUSLY are not reading all the posts... I'm just telling people what they want to hear because I'm getting tired of being attacked. This feed started out with me asking a simple question about PII until someone thought I shouldn't be asking questions... so now its just feed the flame....Quote:
Originally Posted by bent
Just said it once and I'll say it again... get over here and come dive with me... If my buoyancy sucks... tell the world.
I met the requirements or I wouldn't be certified.
I doubled it by mistake... I've been running in the .95 to .97 range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
But then you flatter me... you follow me on FaceBook :)
Drysuit in hand... getting ready to goto Gamble for required repairs. but when I DO decide to dive with it it will be with Ice Diving as the intended goal... not to protect your ego which seems to be the bigger picture here since you suggested I just wear a skin so I LOOKED like I was in a drysuit, you were not concerned about my staying warm near as much as how it made you look when we both were at the same site?? and I'm not the one freezing.
I"m pretty sure this whole thread went down hill when you suggested I should pick other mentors and quick asking stupid questions on CDF.
Just a thought.
Tim
Umm, Tim, they violated a depth limitation on their very first dive out of their certification class. Remember, OW cert means they probably came into that with no diving experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
I know there were several intro diver fatalities in years past, but it has also been a few years since we've seen one. However, we've seen a few full cave diver deaths since then, some were health related, but of course there was the scooter fatality earlier this year and the carbon monoxide incident in Cozumel and the OxTox incident in Devil's. It would be interesting to look at the number of fatalities and certification levels, I believe Steve Gerrard had done much of that work before with his CAP beast article, maybe it's time to update his work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
Patricia Barkley, 2010. That was five years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Has there been an intro certified diver death since then? I honestly don't know; there have been OW divers in overhead fatalities, and there have been full cave fatalities, but I don't recall an intro diver in the past five years.
I'll bite. Just like Draker, get your drysuit fixed and I'll be happy to take you on a fun easy dive well within the limitations of NAUI Cave 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
:) YOU I will take up on that offer... you don't have an ego to protect even if your GUE is bleeding into your NAUI just a tad. I am technically within NAUI standards with my current dive exposure. That being said, if I continue to live in N Florida I will be diving Dry in order to get comfortable with buoyancy so I can get my Ice cert soon, not because I'm freezing in the springs.Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
Also, if we are both at the same dive site, if you see me do something wrong or a change you feel would be beneficial (dry suit aside) I am ALWAYS open to constructive criticism from anyone that didn't already have an agenda.
Tim
Yeah... that pretty much happened when I moved to N Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT
Good, I was hoping you were kidding. I read all posts but sometimes its hard for me to tell, whether people are being serious or not.
Unfortunately I have seen people in caves that had horrendous buoyancy control and they got certified too. It's a real bummer but in some cases, being certified doesn't mean much.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Wow, very different view. While I agree naui cave1 isn't for all, I definitely don't see the zero to hero you're talking about. I see it as a way to allow for slow progression. Maybe that's just my mentality over others.Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
We chose it for the "slow progression" scenario.... but Ken has a point, the Cave1 does jump a bit ahead of other agencies... and he is a NAUI instructor. The concept was that we could stay Cave1 for as long as we needed without having to get cards re-issued (seems to be a problem of late) and progress to next level when we both felt that it was time.
I guess I don't understand how you would define zero to almost hero. For NAUI Cave 1, Cavern is not a pre-req. It's a 5 day course designed to take someone without overhead experience to the equivalent of the apprentice level. Upon completion of the course, the graduate is allowed to dive 1/3rds in doubles with up to two navigational decisions at a maximum depth of 100' without going into decompression.Quote:
Originally Posted by rddvet
There are experience requirements prior to enrolling in the course, including 75 lifetime dives and completion of Intro to Tech (or equivalent). But let me restate for emphasis, Cavern is not a pre-req and at the end of program the student is allowed to dive up to 1/3rds and two navigational decisions.
It has it's place, but it's not a slow and steady progression program.
Intro to cave cards do not expire. The NSSCDS and NACD have a "Basic Cave" card that does expire, but it can be renewed. Same thing for the Apprentice card.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
And there's something to be said about just doing some gold line diving to gain experience and move beyond the "holy crap! I'm in a cave!" heebie jeebies before progressing onto complex navigation.
Honestly, speaking as someone that took a ten year break from cave diving, I would be in favor of a card that expires unless you show you have had some recent experience. I think GUE requires you to do a certain number of dives per year to maintain a particular level, and having to go hang out with someone for a day once every 3 years just to tune up and demonstrate you still have proficiency doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
It doesn't matter that you feel toasty. What matters is that your body reacts to cooler temps by shunting blood away from your extremities to keep your core at the proper operating temperature. At the end of the day, even if you never felt cold, you will be more tired than the guy that wore a wetsuit, and the guy that wore a drysuit. In the water, it makes breathing, decompressing, and fine motor skills less efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Holy crap man.
I just read the last 5 pages.
Tim: shut up man. Swallow your pride and the BS and go dive with these guys. If you could get past the BS they'd show you things you couldn't imagine. Right now is the precipice. You could have someone truly great take you under their wing and pave the way to awesomeness, or you can be ostracized and be one of those guys who is gone in 3 years. Dude, back up. Take door number 1. Today can be the day that things change for you as 3+ great divers give you a pass on the BS and let you start over. Do it.
No worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Just gives me more free time to feed my high horse and refill my douche.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
I guess I'm misinformed based on the quality of instructors I had. I was told by 3 of my instructors that intro to tech was required. I filled that pre-req by diving with a mentor who signed off on intro to tech based on our diving. I was also told by all 3 instructors that cavern was required to be a separate course from cave 1. Maybe I confused my instructor's standards with NAUI's. I was never under the impression that a 5 day zero to hero was an option. Based on that info, I agree with you.
Pete,Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
You, Draker and Ken are all very experienced divers and all have valuable skills that can be shared. That being said, I have some trust issues with you which I am willing to overlook/work on; I don't want to dive somewhere with you that I don't already have personal experience with because we are honestly going to have to build up to that. So I would love to do some dives with you at Ginnie or Peacock. That won't happen if you can not accept my dive kit. Which I don't think you really care about anyway.
Ken is an AWESOME guy and has never personally attacked me for how I dive, even though he is a NAUI instructor his foundation is GUE and has on a couple of occassions offered to dive with me when I do get a drysuit. I WILL take him up on the offer when I get to the level that I can meet his expectations. Draker however has seemed to have a vendetta against me from the start, every post I have been involved in on CDF has been a great interaction until he questions why I am a diver, cave diver, human or protoplasm goo.... I never want to get into arguments online, in person, across continents but somehow (yes I know, don't respond and its a null issue) he brings out the defensive side of my persona. Draker is also GUE but he od'ed on the cool-aide. He has single handedly encouraged me to NOT wear a dry suit because of all the harassment. I don't expect him to dive with me if he isn't comfortable with my not wearing a drysuit, but he does need to lay off the personal attacks. Eventually, because of my personal goals I will be diving in a drysuit, but don't expect that this is something that will happen on every single dive I do in cave country.
So lets do this... This thread is the end.... I won't personally attack you or Draker's personal diving style (I think Ken and I already had an understanding/mutual respect). You and I do some dives in any of the local popular springs and work on the whole trust issue and Draker can lay off of me until I naturally progress through the NAUI Cave2 certification which will have to include drysuit because even I would get cold on a 30 minute deco....
With that being said, and ANY of you see me do something horrendous while diving... please offer suggestions(except get a drysuit), if you don't point out stupid things I'll never learn.
Can I get an agreement to that?
Tim
Don't feel bad.... trudging through all the different standards made it really hard to decide which path to take... it appeared (Ken corrected me on this) that NAUI was the only way to go where we would have the time to work on the skills after class. We had already been Cavern for 3 years so it isn't like we did a zero to half hero certification. We were already comfortable in an overhead and were more than ready to take the next step. The 2 big things we looked at were diving 3rds and no expiration.... which sort of went together with having the time WE needed to progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by rddvet
Tim
This has turned weird.
And, Tim, you do not know James nor Pete at all based on the 126th post.
Now as for Nakatomi, Im pretty damn sure I remember a video he posted of a rediscovered JB where he or his buddy (dont remember which but I'd bet him) made ceiling contact while scootering. More than once because I was pretty friggin' self righteous after it ended.
Bob
"great interaction until...." Doubtful
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by floridabob
Actually I do like Pete but we DEFINITELY need to work on some trust issues from before I got Cave1. The big thing though is I can go forward from #126 knowing that I extended the peace offering, I am DONE with being attacked every time I ask an honest question. Poke fun at me yes... I'm good with that, I'll even poke fun at myself.
I do remember my first couple of dives as being WAY task loaded versus being in class and being SUPER focused JUST on what ever skill I had to perform. We all know that when you become task loaded buoyancy is the first thing to go. So I"m sure I did bump the ceiling a couple of times, but I sure didn't silt bomb a passage. So I don't think anyone should get harassed over an occasional ceiling bump aside from some good humored prodding. Now go down to Mexico and do a couple of ceiling bumps and you might deserve a hard kick in the butt, but we're not in Mexico :)
Yeah, I always take video of myself with an invisible 40' selfie stick. :clapperQuote:
Originally Posted by floridabob
As to my buddy in the JB2 "rediscovery" video and the ceiling, I believe that stuff raining down is called percolation. If you look closely you can see silt pockets in the ceiling everywhere, it's not like this area is getting traveled a lot.
There was in fact another video posted, however that one was in HITW, where the stage of a buddy rigged in a certain top mounted fashion hit the ceiling several times. He changed that right after seeing the results on the video.
Either way, blaming me for other peoples diving style is pretty awkward.
:rollguyQuote:
More than once because I was pretty friggin' self righteous after it ended.
Tim to be honest it would be to your benefit if you could refrain from posting things based on assumptions (or misinformation?) sometimes. I think that is why some people shake their heads at some of your posts.
For example: Ken is WKPP but to my knowledge (notice the qualifier) he has not ever taken a single GUE class. In fact he probably started cave diving before there was a GUE so I am confident his "foundation" didn't come from there. I've spent enough time with him to know he certainly dies not represent himself as a "GUE diver."
As for James... I know for a fact he has never taken a GUE class, and is not currently nor has he ever been on the WKPP, so calling him out for being GUE is odd - but talking about him ODing on koolaid is just over the top.
I had to re-read that post a couple of times to make sure I wasn't misinterpreting it!! [emoji4]
Btw Bob did you mean James and Pete or James and Ken? And I completely agree about the thread turning weird, Also not sure why you were left out the rant! [emoji6]
Well it's probably a bit late to be posting so good night/morning depending on your perspective! [emoji4]
I have never taken a GUE course. A few of us were trying to convince Mer to teach us Fundies, but it would probably do her more damage than us good. :)
Are you somehow suggesting the a DrySuit is the only acceptable exposure protection?Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
It probably is when your diving heavy steel cylinders and no other redundant lift.
Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
####### priceless. Thank you for giving me something to beat James over the head with next time I see him... HAHAHA!
While sadly, I must admit that I have never passed a GUE course, I can also state that I have never taken one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppler
I do however proudly wear any GUE emblazoned T shirts that come my way.
I feel as though my assimilation is now complete.
...and to all the naysayers and disbelievers, now you know. The GUE route is not as difficult as once believed, nor as costly. A few free T shirts and a verbal nod from Waldo and you too can magically become GUE.
I wonder if I'll have to have my skills reviewed every three years?
No, but you should probably wash the shirts every three years, if they need it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
Rule 6, if you can't be good, look good.
I have been known to wear a wetsuit, when appropriate. But it was only under much duress, and typically only because the cave or conditions required it. Such as a high flow, no mount restrictive entrance.Quote:
Originally Posted by curtschu
I'm fairly certain that I have previously suggested that I feel no exposure protection whatsoever, is not acceptable for diving caves in Florida.
This is only my personal opinion. And it's only worth what you paid for it.
That might explain why AJ and Liteheaded won't dive with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by OFG-1
Thanks for the tip!
Don't give away my secrets!Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
Omg this is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
We actually lifted that ban yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
You're in the clear now!
Right about the time you saw five new rebreathers in the back of my truck???Quote:
Originally Posted by PfcAJ
Coincidence? I think not. LOL
Regardless. Great news.... ...I think...
My mistake, I thought we had discussed you and GUE.Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
I have a redundant wing. Isn't that enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Redundant wings are crap.
Ok, so I apologize for the GUE statement. The only time we ever actually met I believe you were wearing the shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
You wouldn't catch me dead in a "I paddled the Gauly and survived" t-shirt because well I've never paddled the Gauly, so I'm sure you can see where I would mistake you for a GUE diver.
Seriously though, just lay off the criticism on the forums. I am here to learn and that MIGHT mean I ask a question you think is dumb, thats fine... keep it to yourself.
Tim
yeah... I've heard. Way worse than just a wetsuit. Maybe I need to start carrying a few milk jugs with me just in case. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Then learn. A sarcastic comment aimed at you doesn't stop you from learning.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
JJ,
From here on out I'm done with rolling arguments... I have felt that I had to defend my questions.. No more.
By the way, the first 4 pages (and a few posts after) have been educational and I have learned from those responses.
Tim
No need to apologize. GUE is an excellent training agency with very high standards. I'm glad to be mistaken as part of the flock.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Many of my closest friends pride themselves on their GUE accomplishments; as they should.
Personally, I would never go on a forum and profess to be cave diver while only having 22 dives.
Nor would I start a thread asking how to find a cave as simple and accessible as P2.
These are just a few of the many ways in which we differ.
Good luck in your quest for knowledge.
I am hereby enacting the "block nonsense" feature afforded to me by this forums software.
Dumb away...
:)
only ever professed to be Cave1, and asked only because divers with higher certs than myself were unsure themselves.
But then I'm also done with defending myself so I'm not sure why I just responded.
:)
See you at the springs.
Now I understand the real issue here.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
You actually think a C card means something special.
Actual experience. Time spent underwater. Real world situations. Actual screw ups and subsequent solutions. And genuine bottom time.
These are the things that make one a cave diver.
The stack of plastic sitting on someone's dash is only directly proportional to the amount of money spent to buy the cards.
And has little value or consequence to me.
But I digress, my horse needs feeding.
:)
I spent A LOT of time at Cavern before I felt it was time to take the next step (3 years to be exact), maybe you did not know that. I will probably spend as much time at Cave1.
I am currently in learning mode and will be for a while(the rest of my life). Would love to have valuable feedback from you but I'm sure if you don't want to be a mentor to new divers someone else will be. I am not a card collector or I would already be full cave.
Just saying.
I would think your gue training require you have a redundant horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
A redundant horse would be an excellent idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by rddvet
As would some GUE training.
Sadly, I have neither.
I'll buy you a redundant horse or pay for a GUE class for you... if you get me a good deal on a custom drysuit ? because sadly the one I have is probably not going to meet your requirements for me, its a bit big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
Tim
Funny you should ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
I just might know a guy...
On the way to Gamble right now to get a new neck seal actually.... but do tell more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
Have a chat with Gamble. He's seen my suits and knows what I offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
If you're really interested, I'm in Fort White and have a few you can take a look at.
I'm also known to dine at Akins from time to time.
PS. Beware the short shorts.
Need to at least get this one in the water because even though its a bit big, I need to see just how big it is after it is submerged. Have had real issues with the back zip they just freak me out (have gone through 3 already, bought them tried them dry and sold them) So $300 for an almost new + neck seal deserves a bit of diving before its sold. But right now odds are 50/50 that it will be on the market pretty quickly.
Best not dawdle, it's wing night.
Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Made it with seconds to spare....
I don't take it personally. I knew and dove with some of those guys before GUE existed.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
We are all in learning mode. Anyone who thinks they have learned it all is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
If James says he would be glad to take you for a dive take him up on the offer. When your drysuit is set, let's go.
SO... and I'm sorry.... I find this highly funny. I walked into Gamble's shop with my drysuit, looked at him and said I need a neck gasket. He looked at me and said (and this is not verbatim) "what are you bringing me a drysuit for, you'll have a heat stroke just getting to the water" and went on to suggest if I was GOING to dive with it to use a the lightest weight capaline I could get and I might not over heat while I was in the water. Funny thing is this is exactly what I've been saying for the last 4 years(even longer about wetsuits). I told him the ultimate goal was ice diving and that I would only be diving with the dry suit during the winter to get used to diving with one.
That being said, that was the coolest experience I have ever had, he sized my neck gasket before I ever left and I think is going to help me with the wrist seals when I pick the dry suit up.
Somebody suggested that the spring water temps would effect my deco on even normal dives because of capillary contraction. The problem is that is exactly what makes people turn blue on the lips and fingers. I never turn blue, even lifting my arm up out of the water it will be warm to touch by anyone else. I"m not going to use this as an exscuse to NOT EVER wear a drysuit, IE Ice diving cert but when the deity of drysuits tells you that you probably should not wear one.... it's kind of funny. As far as wet suits go 3mil makes me colder, a 5 mil unless it really is cold water makes me too hot and the one time I wore a 7mil thought I was dying in 55degree water. Believe me, LOTS of experience with this.
:) this post is not intended to incite a storm of posts, just sharing my experience at DrySuit Mecca.
Oh, I'll have my drysuit back next week.
Did you ask that deity why he doesn't dive?
hhhhmmmm, he gets cold?
no, didn't know that he didn't dive. I mean Lv2dive said he is all about wing night and thats a diver thing right?
Seriously though, can you not see how this was just a bit funny to me?
I've known Steve for 20+ years, and I've heard that too, many times. Drysuits in the summer and even sunny Florida seem counter intuitive ,but thermal protection isn't about the thermal issues out of the water,but obviously in the water, that is why in gear rigging we donn thermal protection last. But, as a nurse you know that even the smallest amount of hypothermia,even if it doesn't exhibit itself as shivering,causes impaired mental judgement,but of course there are other physiological manifestation which can inhibit decompression. But thermal protection needs to make sense and be appropriate. For the other posters that do several hour run times,then a dry suit becomes a life support item, and failure here since there is no redundancy can be more hazardous than a failed regulator. If you are doing short cavern/ intro cave dives without decompression, then Steve's advice is timely. If you have plans to move to a level 2 cert in the future, then dry suit proficiency is important,because you don't want to introduce a new element in the class,but I am with Steve, lets get past the 90+ temperatures and get into fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Steve tells everybody they should dive wet because drysuits are a hassle and its too hot on the surface in Florida. I think it's part his way of joking with you and part due to the fact that all he does all day long is repair suits and sees their vulnerability.
Plus that last customer that dropped off a drysuit probably didn't drain their Pvalve tubing well, and he got it all over himself. For some reason that seems to piss him off.Quote:
Originally Posted by rddvet
Have always maintained that I would HAVE to have a drysuit when I make the move to deco class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
And yes hypothermia stars before the blueness. But I am way more comfortable in my body than anyone else is and all I can say to that is when I get in the water, my metabolism kicks it up a notch. I have had arguments with people over my thermal comfort level since I completed my advanced open water dives and that was in 2003. The only time I have ever been COLD was dropping through the 2nd thermocline in Beaver Lake.... however was before I had a computer so no real clue how cold that was but was diving swim trunks and t-shirt. I can NOT tolerate water over 82 degrees to the point that I even struggle to breath because the air is so thick, even my showers are very seldom much over spring water temp.
But again...not arguing the point... I do actually own a drysuit that I hope to get to use in a month or so when it cools down.
:)
And it was STILL FUNNY!!!
His only concern seemed to be me over heating (even while in the water)... I'm NOT a small guy... 5'8" 290lbs... I put off some heat. I sleep with the bedroom at a comfortable 68 degrees and without a blanket or sheet to cover me (ok I start out covered and kick them off as soon as I fall asleep).Quote:
Originally Posted by rddvet
Still FUNNY
Well if you need a Drysuit, I may have a super cheap DUI for you. I bought a Drysuit used without trying it on because the guy swore by the size. He totally lied and it is too short and large for me. It may actually fit you.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Luckily he wasn't a cave diver. Just a lying sack of excrement ow diver.
Got one... Gamble has it for repairs :) it MIGHT actually be too big for me and if that IS the case I'll be talking to Draker about a new one.
Still Smiling over his comments :)
Despite his pompous attitude and over inflated ego, Draker's not a bad guy; just often misunderstood.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
(At least that's what I've heard.)
And I'm sure would help you out with a great suit at a very fair price.
Good luck with your current project. I truly hope to see you diving it soon.
I've been working too much to dive much recently but while catching up on my emails and forum reading scanned through some of this thread.
As some of you know, I've never dove dry in my life and always with a 3mm here in our caves. (Of course, I'm not doing hour plus long decos either.)
I've always been hot natured and have actually had heat exhaustion a handful of times in my life.
Glad I'm not the only one... I tried 3mil but and for the life of me I don't understand it they make me colder and I would cook in a 5mil.... deco class is up next so gonna have to make the drysuit jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by WEPIV
60-90 minute exposures can be done in your underwear.
As in tightie-whities.
Weenies.
Conjecture, at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
I believe this his a highly coveted Internet Cave Diving skill, only mastered after dozens of repetitive posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by whodunit68
fyi ! 7+ hours in a Poisden jet suit in Bonnet 1 dive ! 4+ hours in Little River...same dry suit Dry suits are workable in summer heat, you just need to finish donning them in the water & unzip them at the surface to vent any overheating.....Wet suits are fine for normal dives not depending on extended deco. This is my experience.
I now have a Henderson dry suit which is way too big for me, & the boots are attached, which tend to get flooded. The jet suit had open ankle seals & worked well for me. It never flooded on me unless i wanted it to !
You can take all the advanced cave classes you want, but you still need to learn common sense & self preservation. Without that, best to stay in the cavern zones !
JE
Yeah & save the horse !Quote:
Originally Posted by Draker
by this logic, anyone who ever wears a Gators shirt must be a Gator. Anyone who wears a Hilfiger shirt must be named Tommy. I bought t-shirts for my family that say Brasil on the front. We're now Brazilian.Quote:
Originally Posted by twaldo
Draker, from this point forward, expect to be called JJ. Fancy shirt. Or should I say, camiseta extravagante!
You managed to find logic in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by whodunit68