Diver and/or Instructor Renewal Program

[atedeschi]

yeah i know but i been busy, and wanted to get it posted. I will post the results a lot clearer, promise.

[fghray1]

Renewals for what !!!!!
I like the unofficial answer to this question.
If your foolish enough to drive, dive, swim, walk, shoot, eat, drink, sky dive, skate board, (you get the idea) beyond what your common sense tells you to do.
They will someone to pick up the peices.

[jj1987]

I like the idea of students submitting SIGNED (by instructor and student) dive logs for the training dives and having that be turned in with the paperwork. Also have both instructor and student initial next to all required skills and limitations....I've seen/heard/observed that often students don't even realize what they've missed out on.

This provides structure to the class, and keeps honest people honest...kinda like door locks, don't tempt anyone with making it too easy.

I agree personal responsibility is the best option, but that's NOT happening and we all know it.

[rjack]

I like the idea of students submitting SIGNED (by instructor and student) dive logs for the training dives and having that be turned in with the paperwork. Also have both instructor and student initial next to all required skills and limitations....I've seen/heard/observed that often students don't even realize what they've missed out on.

This provides structure to the class, and keeps honest people honest...kinda like door locks, don't tempt anyone with making it too easy.

I agree personal responsibility is the best option, but that's NOT happening and we all know it.

For training dives sure, keeps everyone honest and attentive to standards (which are woefully lacking in some agencies/instructors)

For personal dives the whole signing thing makes me laugh.

[NWGratefulDiver]

Great Christ ... that list is worse than the ballot I just had to fill out on Tuesday.

To make it simple ... I opt for no required renewals. I don't need the Scuba Police to keep me safe. If I don't have the responsibility to maintain my skills then Darwin will provide all the enforcement that's necessary. Safe diving's more about judgment than anything else ... and you can't legislate that no matter how hard you try.

Please ... PLEASE ... don't try to save me from myself. That's my job.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

[skip]

When you make c-cards something people have to re-up every so often, I'm betting they won't. It will lapse, they'll realize it, and then just stop diving. There will be a few hard-core divers that will dutifully re-educate themselves (the ones who seek a refresher course anyway) and keep on diving, but you can bet the industry as a whole would dry up and blow away.

For myself, I enjoy classes and return to them readily for another go round. But I can also see a cool little black market opportunity for the nefarious, "Hey buddy, wanna buy a c-card?"

-skip

[FW]

So, only rec and tech divers/instructors can vote?

[LiteHedded]

When you make c-cards something people have to re-up every so often, I'm betting they won't. It will lapse, they'll realize it, and then just stop diving. There will be a few hard-core divers that will dutifully re-educate themselves (the ones who seek a refresher course anyway) and keep on diving, but you can bet the industry as a whole would dry up and blow away.

For myself, I enjoy classes and return to them readily for another go round. But I can also see a cool little black market opportunity for the nefarious, "Hey buddy, wanna buy a c-card?"

-skip

so be it

[cavediver27]

If we don't have a serious renewal program for vehicle drivers, who kill themselves and others at a rate GREATER then all the living active tech divers in the USA each year, why would we even consider yet another restriction on diving ?

Is there some kind of Obama socialism going on here recently ? What's up with all the proposed new laws to save us from ourselves ?

Yeah, please, someone write another law to protect me from doing the things I enjoy (and charge me a fee in the process). Then please let's redistribute the wealth in this country so everyone can do anything they want and then be protected by charging another fee for the privilege. Obama's socialist agenda is running rampant right now but I have a feeling the country is starting to see the "change" they got has come at a very expensive price, both in dollars and freedoms.

[atedeschi]

So, only rec and tech divers/instructors can vote?

FW, I am not sure what you getting at I tried to list the possible combinations of divers and or instructors.

Yeah, please, someone write another law to protect me from doing the things I enjoy (and charge me a fee in the process). Then please let's redistribute the wealth in this country so everyone can do anything they want and then be protected by charging another fee for the privilege. Obama's socialist agenda is running rampant right now but I have a feeling the country is starting to see the "change" they got has come at a very expensive price, both in dollars and freedoms.

Its not another law, why to people things its a goverment thing and laws. There is no policeman gong to come arrest you. Its something the agencies do. For those of you that dive often, thinks its going to be all the red tape, you would only have to send in a copy of a log or something. Instructors already have to pay $$$ to renew so why not have the money do something and help it weed out the slackers, in turn help produce a better quality, diver.