Diver and/or Instructor Renewal Program

[LiteHedded]

renewing cert cards == socialism
never takes long on here

[Spd 135]

Its not another law, why to people things its a goverment thing and laws. There is no policeman gong to come arrest you. Its something the agencies do. For those of you that dive often, thinks its going to be all the red tape, you would only have to send in a copy of a log or something. Instructors already have to pay $$$ to renew so why not have the money do something and help it weed out the slackers, in turn help produce a better quality, diver.

The way a diver becomes a quality diver is not forced training. If you have to force someone to get more training, or quality mentoring, they will make the "Minimum Standards to pass" and continue as they have been. If instructors have to retrain annually then when will enough be available since they have other obligations. There is not an unlimited pool of instructors. That is, in fact, what is required to get a card (instructors and minimum standards).

Divers are the general public, a cross section of society of you will. Excellent diver become that way because they strive to be better. Best leave this alone, don't dive with sorry divers, and mentor those who want to be better. Darwin will take care of the rest. Like it or not........that is the way it is and always has been.

People that do not strive to keep getting better will either 1. dive infrequently, 2. get the card and move on to something else, or
3. get weeded out by the guy on the sign. Most of the "poor divers" go to the well travelled caves and have no drive to dive the caves that are off of the beaten path and takes work to get to. I understand wanting cave divers to be better as a whole, but in reality we are as different as any other sport. Self Responsibility lets me worry about me, an of course those I am diving with at the time. Other than that..................."they" must worry about themselves.

[FW]

FW, I am not sure what you getting at I tried to list the possible combinations of divers and or instructors.

Ant, sorry I didn't see your response until today. It is the use of Rec and Tech that I object to. I consider myself a cavediver, which is above rec, or tech. I was an instructor, but I retired. Actually, there aren't many rec only divers that frequent this forum, and I don't see any that responded to your poll.

[atedeschi]

Ant, sorry I didn't see your response until today. It is the use of Rec and Tech that I object to. I consider myself a cavediver, which is above rec, or tech. I was an instructor, but I retired. Actually, there aren't many rec only divers that frequent this forum, and I don't see any that responded to your poll.

Yeah I kept the rec part to be consisitant. For this poll I consider cave diver as tech. I was thinking about adding in overhead training but then it would be even more options. I have the same post on scubaboard, but not a lot of response was hoping to get the rec divers. To bad I can't put a poll on TDS, but in my post I refer people to CDF or SB. Anyway will see what the final results come to.

[Burke]

Diving is too regulated now and I would not support more regulations or requirements. I used to hold one of those cards that had to be renewed and I didn't bother.

There are inherent problems with trying to set rules and attempting to claim that they apply to everyone universally. They have to be written for the lowest common denominator, eventually creating enforcement problems as divers gain skill beyond the entry-level diver the rules are written to protect. Eventually, the rule making organizations will beome irrelevant, if they do not adapt. I think that's what starting to happen now. Some are adapting and some are not.