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  • Renewal for Instructor and Diver Certification All Levels, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor and Tec Diver Certification, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor and Rec Diver Certification, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Instructor Only All Levels, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Diver Only All Levels, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor Only, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Diver Only, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor Only, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Diver Only, I am a rec diver

    0 0%
  • No Renewal at all, I am a rec diver

    1 1.72%
  • Renewal for Instructor and Diver Certification All Levels, I am a tec diver

    5 8.62%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor and Tec Diver Certification, I am a tec diver

    2 3.45%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor and Rec Diver Certification, I am a tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Instructor Only All Levels, I am a tec diver

    9 15.52%
  • Renewal for Diver Only All Levels, I am a tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor Only, I am a tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Diver Only, I am a tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor Only, I am a tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Diver Only, I am a tec diver

    0 0%
  • No Renewal at all, I am a tec diver

    22 37.93%
  • Renewal for Instructor and Diver Certification All Levels. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor and Tec Diver Certification. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor and Rec Diver Certification. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Instructor Only All Levels. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Diver Only All Levels. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor Only. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Diver Only. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor Only. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Diver Only. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • No Renewal at all. I am a rec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Instructor and Diver Certification All Levels, I am a tec instructor

    1 1.72%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor and Tec Diver Certification, I am a tec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor and Rec Diver Certification, I am a tec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Instructor Only All Levels, I am a tec instructor

    2 3.45%
  • Renewal for Diver Only All Levels, I am a tec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor Only, I am a tec instructor

    2 3.45%
  • Renewal for Tec Diver Only, I am a tec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor Only, I am a tec instructor

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Diver Only, I am a tec instructor

    0 0%
  • No Renewal at all, I am a tec instructor

    3 5.17%
  • Renewal for Instructor and Diver Certification All Levels, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    1 1.72%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor and Tec Diver Certification, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor and Rec Diver Certification, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Instructor Only All Levels, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    1 1.72%
  • Renewal for Diver Only All Levels, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Instructor Only, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Tec Diver Only, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Instructor Only, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • Renewal for Rec Diver Only, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    0 0%
  • No Renewal at all, I am a rec instructor & tec diver

    9 15.52%
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  1. #1
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    Default Diver and/or Instructor Renewal Program

    After much discussion on another thread, I would like to get some votes on what we as a community should maybe push for. Below is a piece from GUE's standards, I am not saying we have to use exactly this, but might be a good starting point. I will be posting on multiple boards, but please just vote in one place.

    The poll asks for what level should be certified instructor, or divers. It is broken down also in to tec instructor, rec instructor and/or tec and rec diver. It also say I am a ..., this is to get an idea of what level you are as a diver/instructor. I tried to think as many combinations as possible, and if not there please pick the closests. Also I consider tec level advanced nitrox/Deco procedures as the minimum.

    "1.8.4 Instructor Re-Qualification
    GUE instructors must formally requalify in EVERY curriculum (Recreational, Tech, Cave) in which they are qualified to teach by December of the third year of their initial certification or last requalification. This requirement is fulfilled by co-teaching a class with a training director in each curriculum in which requalification
    is due. Instructors may also requalify by joining a GUE-sanctioned instructor re-qualification workshop. Instructors may choose to reset the three-year clock at any point within this three-year window. In the event an instructor is qualified to teach at different levels of a given curriculum (e.g., Tech 1 or 2), it is the prerogative of the training director to decide at which level the instructor will work toward requalification. GUE instructors must also requalify anytime the safety or effectiveness of their training is questioned. In such a case, GUE’s Quality Control Board may immediately suspend an instructor’s teaching privileges until a thorough review of these allegations is made. Instructors who fail to requalify within three years will be put on inactive status and required to return their
    instructor cards to GUE Headquarters at once.

    1.8.5 Diver Re-Qualification
    All GUE diver-qualification cards expire three years after the date of issue. A diver can be re-qualified six months before or six months after the expiration of their qualification period by having his/her individual dive experience reviewed by either a qualified GUE instructor or by GUE Headquarters. To maintain GUE
    qualification, GUE divers must a) complete and log at least twenty-five dives at the level of their qualification within a three-year period, and b) must provide evidence of such by producing their logbook or by mailing in or faxing copies of their logbook pages to a relevant GUE representative. Upon review,
    divers can be issued a new qualification card for a nominal fee."

    Anthony Tedeschi
    Narc'ed Diving
    Instagram: @narceddiving

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    Whereas I like the concept of renewable c-cards and GUE's requirement of making 25 dives in a three year period, the reality as I see it is that there is absolutely nothing to stop me or anyone else from just forging the needed number of dive logs and sending it to them to have a card renewed. The people these requirements are meant to stop from diving are going to be the ones who will be sending in the fake logs and the ones likely diving way above their level of training and also the ones likely making big headlines that give the rest of us a bad name.


    **btw - sorry, I think there are too many options for the poll, damn near gives me a headache reading through them all.


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    If we don't have a serious renewal program for vehicle drivers, who kill themselves and others at a rate GREATER then all the living active tech divers in the USA each year, why would we even consider yet another restriction on diving ?

    Is there some kind of Obama socialism going on here recently ? What's up with all the proposed new laws to save us from ourselves ?

    Bob K

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    If we don't have a serious renewal program for vehicle drivers, who kill themselves and others at a rate GREATER then all the living active tech divers in the USA each year, why would we even consider yet another restriction on diving ?

    Is there some kind of Obama socialism going on here recently ? What's up with all the proposed new laws to save us from ourselves ?
    Not a law in fact it should help with the self policing that is lacking, and maybe get them from stop worring about numbers and produce better quailty.

    Anthony Tedeschi
    Narc'ed Diving
    Instagram: @narceddiving

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post

    Is there some kind of Obama socialism going on here recently ? What's up with all the proposed new laws to save us from ourselves ?
    Do you dare to believe in personal responsibility?

    Psssh... Personal Responsibility is a myth. We all know that most humans need "better humans" to tell them how to be safe.

    Joe


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pyle
    "After my first 10 hours on a rebreather, I was a real expert. Another 40 hours of dive time later, I considered myself a novice. When I had completed about 100 hours of rebreather diving, I realized I was only just a beginner."

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    Gotta love the "nominal fee" part.

    Upon review,
    divers can be issued a new qualification card for a nominal fee."
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    I retired a couple of months ago and have been looking for a part-time job. Any one know where to send my application for the "Scuba Police"

    How does that saying go, "be careful what you wish for"

    Unreal, jeese............................................. ................

    Al


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    Instructors already have to pay a nominal fee every year to renew, at least this way we get something out of it.

    Anthony Tedeschi
    Narc'ed Diving
    Instagram: @narceddiving

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    If we don't have a serious renewal program for vehicle drivers, who kill themselves and others at a rate GREATER then all the living active tech divers in the USA each year, why would we even consider yet another restriction on diving ?

    Is there some kind of Obama socialism going on here recently ? What's up with all the proposed new laws to save us from ourselves ?


    Brian


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    Dude, it would ahve been a lot easier to separate that mess into separate questions.

    I'll try to find a category I like.

    Andrew Ainslie

    Almost extinct cave diver


 

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