Eagles Nest Line To Be Cut Back

[apitkin]

I cut the line back from the gold line after my original exploration there. I was a little uneasy about divers attempting to go through the restriction who probably shouldn't, a feeling that subsequently has been proven to be justified. I forget who reconnected it to the gold line, and I was fine with that because I think cutting it back it is not going to make any difference - anyone who wants to go through will be able to find it easily. I understand you want to be seen to be doing something, but you may even make it more attractive to some divers. Beware of the law of unintended consequences.

Andy

[Aotus]

My only fear, since I am nowhere near ready for the nest, is that this move may be perceived as validation for the calls for limiting access to expert divers. I would have preferred to see the NSSCDS stand by its other missions, namely to educate the public about caves and training so that the risk can be understood better - the number of cave trained and untrained diver accidents in Eagle's Nest shouldn't be combined.

[jlcdvr]

I believe Jeff Bozanic was keeping accident stastistics for the CDS. Is he no longer doing this? And if not, why?

Joel

Would the CDS not following their own bylaws and doing accident investigation as well as releasing statistical data not be doing something too? Maybe education instead of trying to make something idiot proof. You know what they say about that.

[cavediver27]

Lighten up a little bit everyone. There are many unmarked jumps with well hidden lines that many people don't even know they exist. There are also plenty of unmarked passages with no line and these occur in even the most popular recreational caves. It helps keep divers out of places they really don't belong. This isn't a new concept or idea, it's been done for a long time. I was shown many of them by mentors who felt I was ready and I've done the same with others.
I personally think this was a smart move.

[LiteHedded]

Lighten up a little bit everyone. There are many unmarked jumps with well hidden lines that many people don't even know they exist. There are also plenty of unmarked passages with no line and these occur in even the most popular recreational caves. It helps keep divers out of places they really don't belong. This isn't a new concept or idea, it's been done for a long time. I was shown many of them by mentors who felt I was ready and I've done the same with others.
I personally think this was a smart move.

That's true. Good thing the distance tunnel, the worm hole, the crossover tunnel and mainland et al aren't T's so no one ever dies in them





Oh wait

[Dsix36]

I mean, in your story, didn't you get entangled in your own line and have to take ur fin off to remove it?

That was on my "bad day" dive and I entered the restriction with zero vis and an extremely slack line that may have even been broken at that point. The line that was wrapped around my fin was the original slack line, not from my reel. I was not even running a line, my reel just let some line out and got wrapped up on the original line and myself.

[bamafan]

This is not a passage within intro or basic limits. Where do we stop with the reasoning that is being used here? I feel it is just a knee jerk reaction and being done to make people feel better or for the publicity. That is fine but just be honest. There are a lot of T's off of gold / main line that go into passages way smaller than this and they are more accessible and those caves see way more traffic and less experienced divers.

[Benderr]

There are a lot of T's off of gold / main line that go into passages way smaller than this and they are more accessible and those caves see way more traffic and less experienced divers.

They're not at 260-300 feet are they? I can't say anything about CC diving, but on OC, you have very, very little time to solve problems at those depths. Apples to apples would carry more weight.

[bamafan]

They're not at 260-300 feet are they? I can't say anything about CC diving, but on OC, you have very, very little time to solve problems at those depths. Apples to apples would carry more weight.

I very seriously doubt any OC divers are going through that restriction in EN. I agree depth plays a role but they never claimed that was the reason it was done. They did however claim over on Facebook that no lines were T'd into gold line in Florida. This is definitely not true and there is even a white line T'd into the gold line in upstream Hole that a descent intro diver could reach. I just don't follow their reasoning and statements but maybe I am missing something.

[oya]

I object that CDS outright refuses to make all the people happy all the time.

This is an obvious slight by the board of directors to me personally.

But I don't care that the line is getting cut back. Will make it a little harder for people who may not belong there and will cause only minor inconvenience to people who do.

If you couldn't have run a line someplace on your own, you shouldn't be there in the first place.