Poll- Do you agree with the CDS getting out of the C- Card business?

[Superlyte27]

And the very definition of a personal attack, violating the rules of the forum. You have nothing concrete to point to, so you just make a blanket statement about someone based on prior postings or history. I sure hope you guys are actually friends yanking each other's chains or else you are hopelessly irrational.

As for Chris' statements, I may not agree with what he says but his demeanor clearly shows that he cares about the organization. If someone doesn't care if it lives or dies, there is nothing to be said. Someone who makes suggestions and talks about avoiding its future irrelevancy seems to me to be someone to get involved. Its the apathetic ones that should be avoided.

Just sitting on the sidelines waiting for the battlefield to clear.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln

[apitkin]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln

Great advice. Unfortunately much ignored during the course of this thread.

[Jont]

And the very definition of a personal attack, violating the rules of the forum. You have nothing concrete to point to, so you just make a blanket statement about someone based on prior postings or history. I sure hope you guys are actually friends yanking each other's chains or else you are hopelessly irrational.

As for Chris' statements, I may not agree with what he says but his demeanor clearly shows that he cares about the organization. If someone doesn't care if it lives or dies, there is nothing to be said. Someone who makes suggestions and talks about avoiding its future irrelevancy seems to me to be someone to get involved. Its the apathetic ones that should be avoided.

Just sitting on the sidelines waiting for the battlefield to clear.

We are in fact friends, good friends. The story around our meeting is fitting though:

We were at Ginnie diving all day and 6 of us decided to go to the Great Outdoors, Tracy was with us. Peter was on my right and was talking about a house issue, the he said "And some A**hole from New York stole my house!!!!! I smiled looked at him and extended my hand and said "Hey buddy I'm the A**hole from New York"

Friends ever since.

[TracyN]

We are in fact friends, good friends. The story around our meeting is fitting though:

We were at Ginnie diving all day and 6 of us decided to go to the Great Outdoors, Tracy was with us. Peter was on my right and was talking about a house issue, the he said "And some A**hole from New York stole my house!!!!! I smiled looked at him and extended my hand and said "Hey buddy I'm the A**hole from New York"

Friends ever since.

That was funny!

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln

The quote is often attributed to Abe, but there is no evidence he ever actually said it or wrote. First time it shows up in English publication is in a children's book circa early 1900 (or late 1800's?) and the author of that book is the one credited with originating it. Mark Twain is often credited too, but again, no written evidence he said it or wrote it. The bible has a version of it. And many cultures with many different languages have a similar saying.

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[Walter Pickel]

A deep cave exploration seminar by Brett Hemphill or Andy Pitkin? A survey seminar by Mike Poucher or myself? Rebreather specific seminars by professionals in those fields? Sidemount seminars by Edd Sorrensen?

Jason, you might know this but Curt has been diligently planning such an event. The 2013 Cave Summit features all of the above -- and a ton more -- http://www.admfoundation.org/cavesummit/cavesummit.html

It is interesting going back. My 2012 platform statement for the NSS BOG actually emphasized the importance of the CDS to the NSS.