Stairs at Orange Grove

[Superlyte27]

Wow "I've built" with that much work you would of thought they would of given you some help.

Al

Well, it was my company, so I didn't feel I needed to share credit with a bunch of laborers.

[Scuba Al]

Well, it was my company, so I didn't feel I needed to share credit with a bunch of laborers.

No disrespect intended. I myself spent over forty years in commercial construction, retired a couple of years ago. But I was one of the "bunch of laborers" (Cement Mason actually) that got handed the plans and told to build it as the boss/owner headed back to the office.
My initial post was to just make the point, that adding a few steps at OG really only required a competent carpenter. Not a "Set of drawings".
But again, sorry if it looked like I was stepping on toe's.

Good Diving, Alan Fossum

[stairman]

Ive been a carpenter all my life as well. I only migrated to stairs[mainly interior] cause thats where the money is and I dont need a crew to do em. An arcitect isnt needed here to do an add on. Let me know if I can help.

[rddvet]

Well, it was my company, so I didn't feel I needed to share credit with a bunch of laborers.

Not saying this applies to your company, but growing up in the construction industry there are many people who have "built" complete subdivisions as the head of a company without enough skills to push a wheelbarrow. The "laborers" are really the backbone of most construction companies.

Like I said I know nothing of your business, what you do, or what role you play (ie hands on contractor vs pencil pushing construction manager) and don't really need to know. As you know I've met you once before buying some tanks and you seemed like a friendly enough guy, but to be quite frank it sounds pretty crappy to say there's no need to thank the laborers.

I grew up with a father that has many construction patents and has a list of accomplishments that would surprise most people. Hell it did me when I was old enough to understand, since he never spoke a word of it to anyone. He started as a laborer and was a hands on laborer in his companies till he retired, and I can say that he still would humbly put 100% of the responsibility for his accomplishments on the people that worked for him, not on himself.

I apologize for the rant, that just struck a chord with me, eventhough I don't believe you meant it the way it came off.

[Sludge]

My dad owned a fender-and-body shop for most of my childhood, but he didn't do any of the actual car repair himself. Except painting.

He always gave the old, "if you want something done right, do it yourself." But the fact was, he just LOVED to paint cars.

[Superlyte27]

Not saying this applies to your company, but growing up in the construction industry there are many people who have "built" complete subdivisions as the head of a company without enough skills to push a wheelbarrow. The "laborers" are really the backbone of most construction companies.

Like I said I know nothing of your business, what you do, or what role you play (ie hands on contractor vs pencil pushing construction manager) and don't really need to know. As you know I've met you once before buying some tanks and you seemed like a friendly enough guy, but to be quite frank it sounds pretty crappy to say there's no need to thank the laborers.

I grew up with a father that has many construction patents and has a list of accomplishments that would surprise most people. Hell it did me when I was old enough to understand, since he never spoke a word of it to anyone. He started as a laborer and was a hands on laborer in his companies till he retired, and I can say that he still would humbly put 100% of the responsibility for his accomplishments on the people that worked for him, not on himself.

I apologize for the rant, that just struck a chord with me, eventhough I don't believe you meant it the way it came off.

Well, to clarify, i'm sure I came off exactly as I intended to. To be more clear, I started framing houses 2 weeks out of high school. 6 months later I realized any monkey could do the job, and I borrowed my bosses tools on a memorial day weekend and framed a house with my buddy in 3 days. We worked well into the night and when it was done, I made almost 4k. With that money I bought all my tools, worker's comp, liability insurance, and put a down payment on a van. That year my net was 117k.

Before it was all over with, I quit framing and started building, then when the economy collapsed started doing very high end remodeling. This weekend I installed Brazilian Walnut flooring. Materials alone are $18/sq'

At any rate, when a single one of those 100+ employees cared about my company as much as I did, I showed them how to start their own company. And if they didn't give me credit for their success in the company they own, I wouldn't lose sleep about that either. By the way, out of 100's of employees, only 2 cared about my company as much as I did. And they were both mexican.

As far as the drawings go...
No, it's not necessary to draw the steps prior to building the steps EXCEPT that it's what the management of the park requires. So, it is necessary.

[pink arrows]

Don't fight boys.

Pete, would you mind buiilding a bridge so you guys can get over it?

(I'm totally kidding but I just had to say it. lol sorry...)

[Superlyte27]

Pink, we're not women. We can have heated debates without either of our feelings getting hurt, and can even buy each other a drink or lunch afterward.

[pink arrows]

Pink, we're not women. We can have heated debates without either of our feelings getting hurt, and can even buy each other a drink or lunch afterward.

I'm sure someone will take offense to that... fortunately it won't be me. I just wanted to tell you to build a bridge. Which I have accomplished. Have a wonderful night. : )

[Kelly Jessop]

If no one else does it, i'll be there this week to draw some plans. Let me know if you do it. I'm 2.5 hours from Peacock and don't really need to drive for nothing

Thanks for the offer. I don't want to waste your valuable time but there is a process when dealing with the state,and the first thing I will do after the holiday is talk to management about the possibility. Some things require engineering,and others don't,also there can be a lengthy approval process because building materials have to approved since it will be near water. Let me get the process going,and then find out what we can contribute to facilitate the process. The management and district that support the park do an excellent job,but realize that budgets have been thinned so there is less staffing,and hoops in Tallahassee,but we will see this through,we just ask people to be patient. As a side note,the NFSA will be having a work day June 9th to install the plant identification panels on the trail,and we will have someone from park management on site to assist. This would be a good time to engage this with on site visitation for this project,so we welcome any help with the work day.