Zero need for the racism.
I understand your point about wanting to fix the line, but turning this into a race issue is uncalled for.
I don't think it's a translation problem more like an ego problem.
Welcome to the Cave Diver's Forum.
Zero need for the racism.
I understand your point about wanting to fix the line, but turning this into a race issue is uncalled for.
I don't think it's a translation problem more like an ego problem.
What does race have to do with speaking spanish as a primary language?
It's cool to have input from folks of all sorts of backgrounds, acting out due to not reading/comprehending the thread has nothing to do with race; It's a common sense thing.
I have plenty of friends of several races that speak spanish...including my favorite dive instructor, and translation is sometimes a key reason we look at each other strangely when conversing. We both find it funny when the misunderstanding is cleared up.
Just pointing out that language familiarity could be a reason for the delta as pointing out the ego just adds gas to the fire.
Maybe I was alittle too sensitive about it, but I doubt that lost in translation has anything to do with Phillips post. I think ego had more to do with his response.
Rich im not saying he should put in gold line to make it a more tourist cave or to lure inexperienced divers into the system. The way he described the system made it sound as if the previously installed line is a safety hazard.Originally Posted by Rich
Just my thoughts, bud! Part of the appeal of the river caves is they're not dove that often and are lacking the scuffs, handprints and scars that are so common in the "tourist" caves, it's nice to go somewhere and get away from the masses.... Putting gold line in them would be like putting safety bottles in Ginnie, there's no need for it if you know what you're doing! YMMV...
Safe diving,
Rich
I think it's a good idea to leave things better than the way you found them. That's why I was put off by the "no gold line," sentiment. He wants to make the cave "safer" by putting in better line.
I hear what you're saying but cave diving is not a "safe" sport, river caves come with their own challenges and if someone wants to reline them with gold they're welcome to have at it. My point was simply that it doesn't need to be done and it will probably end up broken and flapping in the breeze yet again. The gold braid in the popular caves is maintained by people on a regular basis whereas the river caves are not...
Safe diving,
Rich
It's ok fellas...I'm using knotted #36 so everyone can just be like fonzie and stay cool. Heck you can even come examine my line placements and post threads flaming my technique and knot distance if you'd like. I don't care as I'll just be enjoying the river and trying not to get shot by the locals shooting trap along the banks.
I'll be pulling out the crappy old gold line and all the trash that I can.
I suppose it'd cause all sorts of drama to say that I'll be surveying and making a map of the siphon...I'm sure that'll piss someone off. Feel free to pm your angst, it's like therapy and I don't charge 300 per hour.
Hey I got no beef with any of this, I presume since you're located in High Springs you're local, lol, but have no idea who you are by the screen name. Got plenty of knotted #36, tanks, canoe etc if you need a hand gimme a shout. There's also maps to be had that might help you in your quest....
Safe diving,
Rich
Rich, I have been diving that system for many years and have fixed a few lines only to find them trashed in a different place. The flow is not the killer of line there, it is the hydrilla that gets sucked in and builds up on the line until it snaps. This includes gold line, white line and quite possible rope would break too. Don't waste your time. I did that already....
Yep, it's clear that line replacement is the only answer...which is cool cause we'll be happy to keep it up!
It's a very cool system.
Swam through the largest group of catfish I've ever seen. Thought I'd find a dead cow in there or something, I didn't know catfish made huge balls hanging out together...they must have been having a convention or something, at least a hundred of the suckers. Thought seriously about grabbing a few for dinner.
It'll take a few dives to clean up the survey using a better compass and steel measuring tape, get the line squared away, clean out old line and make a better map. But here's my first shot at it.
The flow is alright, a few areas where it's pushing pretty good but nothing crazy.
I think you'll find the 36# line much easier to deal with over the goldline, it may allow for better tie-offs and last longer than the gold stuff too.
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