What is the point of charging divers additional fees at Florida State Parks?

[Walter Pickel]

Apparently you people are content to accept the scraps of remaining "freedom" that the government will allow you to buy. It is sickening to hear you talk favorably about public parks being run like a business. It reeks of communism. Fees will be increased shortly. Listen to yourselves when you say "at least they let us dive!" That sounds pathetic. What happened to this country? We use to be free.

Dude...Wal-Mart is now selling most prescription medicine for $4. Go refill your meds!

[Mike Edmonston]

Apparently you people are content to accept the scraps of remaining "freedom" that the government will allow you to buy. It is sickening to hear you talk favorably about public parks being run like a business. It reeks of communism. Fees will be increased shortly. Listen to yourselves when you say "at least they let us dive!" That sounds pathetic. What happened to this country? We use to be free.

[MengTze]

That is so politically incorrect Mike.

You have a man in a Maoist uniform, holding a USSR dive pass against a Japanese rising sun background. I mean, Jeez Mike, I thought you knew better!

[JahJahwarrior]

Apparently you people are content to accept the scraps of remaining "freedom" that the government will allow you to buy. It is sickening to hear you talk favorably about public parks being run like a business. It reeks of communism. Fees will be increased shortly. Listen to yourselves when you say "at least they let us dive!" That sounds pathetic. What happened to this country? We use to be free.

Huh?




Let me ask again.


Huh?

I think people have already done a good job pointing out that in a communist society, the parks would be free for everyone but our taxes would be higher. And they've already said that in a capitalistic society, government would be run more like a business. And it's already been mentioned that you ought to read up on your communist manifesto and on other fine publications by such crazies as Marx and Engels, so I won't say anything more.


(I just bought a year's pass, and wish I'd done it sooner. I'd be able to afford more equipment )

[Line Squirrel]

I think people have already done a good job pointing out that in a communist society, the parks would be free for everyone but our taxes would be higher.

And we would be standing in the air line for 8 hours for a fill

[MengTze]

... other fine publications by such crazies as Marx and Engels,

Maybe not to ones liking, but far from crazy.

Dismissing others as crazy when not subscribing to their views is doing injustice to yourself, your insight and forming.

[JahJahwarrior]

Maybe not to ones liking, but far from crazy.

Dismissing others as crazy when not subscribing to their views is doing injustice to yourself, your insight and forming.

From an economists standpoint, their ideas on economics don't work out in real life. Atleast, my understanding of the economic teachings and beliefs of socialism leads me to believe that their economic ideas are flawed. I have not studied them extensively, and I did not mean to imply that I had. Certainly, they were well meaning individuals. That does not change the fact that, as best as I understand it,almost no communist country has ever prospered. I have studied them somewhat and have great respect for them. They were wrong on many counts but right on some, and I did not mean to suggest that I had ever done extensive studies into their writings, or am qualified to write on them. Furthermore, I did not do much to slam them, my comment was a jest, made in jest, on an internet forum. I did not intend to begin a discussion on their writings in any way shape or form, nor did I intend to unduly insult them. As I said: it was intended to be a comment made in jest, not the main point of my post, or to be taken extremely seriously, and I apologize if you feel that I am doing them an injustice.

And we would be standing in the air line for 8 hours for a fill

Not to mention, we'd have no nitrox or trimix: the people who invented those would have been kicked out or killed for sure. And when we did have air (which might be every few months, if we were lucky), it wouldn't be that nice, Grade E stuff. We'd also probably be using alumium 80s from the 60's, and we'd have to teach the skill of breathing without a reg for sure, as not all of us could afford to have regs....


(that diver pass image is going to be a computer background....that's just too crazy, and funny! )

[Lanes]

You need to read up on Marx and Engels.

I have read Karl Marx's Communist manifesto. You should read "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal." Obviously you don't understand capitalism if you are promoting government ownership of property. The United States has already adopted half of Marx's tennets of communism. Your two main choices for president in the coming election will be Warmonger McCain or a SOCIALIST democrat. Freedom for an individual can only exist under capitalism. What we have in this country is not capitalism. The government has intervened in every aspect of the market. This government intervention causes problems that are blamed on capitalism and they use it as an excuse to expand the government with more intervention which only compounds the problems. When did the government gain the power to tell you whether or not you can dive? Its total BS, and I thought you would understand but I guess its true what they say that ignorance is bliss.

[jj1987]

I would prefer the Little River model where you are either out by closing or they lock the gate behind you and you can deal with the sheriff, seems to work pretty well at LR. I would vastly prefer they don't lock the gate at all and you can dive whenever you want.

Isn't it dangerous to dive if it's dark outside?

[aainslie]

I have read Karl Marx's Communist manifesto. You should read "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal." Obviously you don't understand capitalism if you are promoting government ownership of property. The United States has already adopted half of Marx's tennets of communism. Your two main choices for president in the coming election will be Warmonger McCain or a SOCIALIST democrat. Freedom for an individual can only exist under capitalism. What we have in this country is not capitalism. The government has intervened in every aspect of the market. This government intervention causes problems that are blamed on capitalism and they use it as an excuse to expand the government with more intervention which only compounds the problems. When did the government gain the power to tell you whether or not you can dive? Its total BS, and I thought you would understand but I guess its true what they say that ignorance is bliss.

Dude, go read the line you posted that I quoted. You HAVE to admit that claiming that a market economy is communism is funny. I'm sure you didn't quite mean it that way, but it came off really funny.

As to government owning land - you DO realize that if Peacock was privately held, it would either cost you a lot more or be inaccessible. Are you sure that's what you want? I suspect you want to have your cake and eat it... you want MORE socialist use of that land, i.e. "free" unfettered use, which means that taxpayers (who don't care about diving) get to foot the bill for our pleasure.

And I have NO idea how Peacock's pricing policy has anything to do with McCain et al. Let's stick with the topic in hand - how do you justify free access to land under strict capitalism? Please remember when answering that you just told us tht we don't understand capitalism if we are promoting government ownership of land... so you've backed yourself into an interesting logical corner there!