Too many primaries at Devil's eye.

[chimie007]

I have never seen it that bad. There were 4 primaries going from the eye to the main line on Sunday. Most of them were badly routed in the middle of the little 'chimney" at 35-45' or so.

My buddy and I had to be careful to avoid them and not tangle ourselves coming out. I had to fix some and move some away so we could come up.

My guess is that in a no light/no vis exit, most divers would have been tangled in someone's line.

What about installing a line starting off the daylight zone in the Eye and ending at the gallery. That way the sensitive section (the tight fissure about 100' in) would have a permanent well laid line in it.

[FW]

First, I have no opinion on that.

However, I can tell you that there are very few places left to teach reel management in a cave, and the instructors would object to the idea of a permanent line through there.

[Oister]

This should be a good thread. We need a popcorn Smile.

In my limited cave diving experience I think it is time the lines came out to OW in the heavily used sites. Make it so you have to put in a jump to keep the Lemmings out. In this day and age if you don’t know your going to die if not trained and you go into the cave that is your own dam fault, move the sign out right at the line in OW. They just hashed this out on TDS.

[contender]

I have never seen it that bad. There were 4 primaries going from the eye to the main line on Sunday. Most of them were badly routed in the middle of the little 'chimney" at 35-45' or so.

My buddy and I had to be careful to avoid them and not tangle ourselves coming out. I had to fix some and move some away so we could come up.

My guess is that in a no light/no vis exit, most divers would have been tangled in someone's line.

What about installing a line starting off the daylight zone in the Eye and ending at the gallery. That way the sensitive section (the tight fissure about 100' in) would have a permanent well laid line in it.

I agree, I was finishing up full cave class this weekend with Bert Wilcher and we were the first ones in the Eye. Bert ran the reel in making sure it was well placed. On our exit there was at least 2 more ran and someone zig-zagged them all over the place. After the second dive, there was at least two more ran and on the way out one of them caught my leg. There were some basic/intro students there as well running lines.

[Mike Edmonston]

I agree, I was finishing up full cave class this weekend with Bert Wilcher and we were the first ones in the Eye. Bert ran the reel in making sure it was well placed. On our exit there was at least 2 more ran and someone zig-zagged them all over the place. After the second dive, there was at least two more ran and on the way out one of them caught my leg. There were some basic/intro students there as well running lines.

Hey Chad,

It was nice meeting you guys last weekend. There were ALOT of people in the system on Sunday. Actually, Saturday someone wrapped their primary completely AROUND our primary in the eye!

We had one hell of a time getting our line out from under theirs. We ended up having to cut our loop off, so that we could get the marble, then pull the remaining line out from under their 9 wraps or so around the log!

It looked like someone was weaving a rug in there.

Safe diving

[contender]

Hey Chad,

It was nice meeting you guys last weekend. There were ALOT of people in the system on Sunday. Actually, Saturday someone wrapped their primary completely AROUND our primary in the eye!

We had one hell of a time getting our line out from under theirs. We ended up having to cut our loop off, so that we could get the marble, then pull the remaining line out from under their 9 wraps or so around the log!

It looked like someone was weaving a rug in there.

Safe diving

Likewise, it was nice meeting you guys.
Chad

[chimie007]

Likewise, it was nice meeting you guys.
Chad

Chad, did I talk to you mid afternoon ? I'm bad with names. I remember talking to some folks including one guy from Gainesville. I was driving a white jetta, diving SM in a blue DS.

[contender]

Chad, did I talk to you mid afternoon ? I'm bad with names. I remember talking to some folks including one guy from Gainesville. I was driving a white jetta, diving SM in a blue DS.

Yeah, I was one of the ones you talked to. We talked at Peacock on Saturday as well.

Chad

[Line Squirrel]

I have never seen it that bad. There were 4 primaries going from the eye to the main line on Sunday. Most of them were badly routed in the middle of the little 'chimney" at 35-45' or so.

My buddy and I had to be careful to avoid them and not tangle ourselves coming out. I had to fix some and move some away so we could come up.

My guess is that in a no light/no vis exit, most divers would have been tangled in someone's line.

I hate to be a pessimist but, does anybody truly think it's going to get any better?

[Mike Edmonston]

Chad, did I talk to you mid afternoon ? I'm bad with names. I remember talking to some folks including one guy from Gainesville. I was driving a white jetta, diving SM in a blue DS.

Chimie,

Was that you at the steps of the eye, when I did my elegant slide entry on the bottom steps?

Safe Diving