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    Default Royal - 9 Aug 2016

    My dive buddy Jeri and I dove Royal this morning for the first time. Our open water divers explored the basin while we poked around the cavern and into the cave.

    The day's heavy rain kept away swimmers and partiers, but also washed enough silt into the basin to make it look foggy, rather than the beautiful clear blue. Water temp 70; clear coming out the vents.

    We ran our line from open water, did secondary tie-off around the sad remains of an NACD stop sign. (At least it was an octagonal sign on a metal post sunk in a concrete filled 5 gallon bucket. Since it sat square in the opening's middle, I'm crediting NACD with deterring folks who shouldn't be in there.)

    The tunnel is small enough that you wouldn't want more than a buddy team in there at once. At the Y, we turned left. We found the permanent line, but didn't use it. The existing line must have broken loose from its anchors, because it now runs in mid-water, mid-tunnel. It's also in bad shape. We didn't want to risk following it, becoming entangled, breaking it while getting unentangled, and silting out the cave with no continuous guideline. We continued to run our own line in.

    As we made the first hard right, I noticed an inflow of colder water, but didn't see the source -- was avoiding getting entangled in existing line while running our line. We turned before the ceiling became too low, as we were both in backmount.

    Our surprise was that the tunnel we dove wasn't the silt generator we've always heard. The only silt we had on the way out was what our bubbles and gentle kicks had dislodged from the ceiling and walls. But for that, nice clear water, viz was fine.

    CAVEAT: There's potential for easily silting out the tunnel. A kick -- or any other motion -- near the floor would stir a cloud of fine, fine dark silt. The low-flow would assure you'd live with that dark cloud the rest of the dive. Based on what we'd always heard, we were mentally prepared to exit blind, engulfed in dark billows. Thankfully, we didn't have to.

    Since we had OW friends in the basin, we didn't take time to explore the right branch of the Y. Couldn't tell visually if it even went far.

    Max depth we hit was 48 feet, though that was in the basin. The cave was shallower.

    I'd dive it again, though probably side mount, perhaps with lp50s.

    NOTE: We are not encouraging folks to go cave dive Royal, merely reporting the conditions we found today. If you and your buddy haven't calmly dealt with a few total silt-outs not of your own making, and exited on the line with your buddy, you shouldn't yet consider Royal. If you and your buddy haven't dove small, silty, low/no-flow passages while handling a line without silting, you shouldn't yet consider Royal. Realistically, I wouldn't -- and couldn't -- have done that dive the first several years I was cave diving. Be safe!

    - Sid


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    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyver View Post
    CAVEAT: There's potential for easily silting out the tunnel. A kick -- or any other motion -- near the floor would stir a cloud of fine, fine dark silt. The low-flow would assure you'd live with that dark cloud the rest of the dive. Based on what we'd always heard, we were mentally prepared to exit blind, engulfed in dark billows. Thankfully, we didn't have to.

    NOTE: We are not encouraging folks to go cave dive Royal, merely reporting the conditions we found today. If you and your buddy haven't calmly dealt with a few total silt-outs not of your own making, and exited on the line with your buddy, you shouldn't yet consider Royal. If you and your buddy haven't dove small, silty, low/no-flow passages while handling a line without silting, you shouldn't yet consider Royal. Realistically, I wouldn't -- and couldn't -- have done that dive the first several years I was cave diving. Be safe!

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    Royal has been described as the one cave that deserves to have a gate,because when things go wrong there, they go wrong in a big way. Unfortunately we have the body count to back that up. You will hear a laundry list of explorers who will push small places,but you never hear anybody pushing Royal, and for a very good reason. I will say a Royal fatality almost cost us access to Little River once because they are both county operated.

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    The ONLY reason there are any lines in Royal is because they are left over from body recoveries. Royal is the #2 "killer cave". Ginnie, beyond the grate, is still #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    The ONLY reason there are any lines in Royal is because they are left over from body recoveries.
    The common comment from people that I know that have gone there for body recoveries," You only dive there to be a victim, or recover a victim"

    Last edited by Kelly Jessop; 08-10-2016 at 06:29 AM.
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    I must be either completely stupid or have a mental disorder ( I am ready for the remarks), but this thread just makes me want to go check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    The ONLY reason there are any lines in Royal is because they are left over from body recoveries. Royal is the #2 "killer cave". Ginnie, beyond the grate, is still #1.


    Is Ginnie #1 by total incidents? Or Incidents/attempt, based on its popularity?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adler View Post
    Is Ginnie #1 by total incidents? Or Incidents/attempt, based on its popularity?
    IIRC, Ginnie has had 30 fatalities, Royal has had about 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsix36 View Post
    I must be either completely stupid or have a mental disorder ( I am ready for the remarks), but this thread just makes me want to go check it out.
    After the cavern, it is totally sidemount, and very silty. In fact, that is where Wes got the idea to try sidemount. He was with Sheck on a recovery, and Sheck went in "monkey" style, with a single 72 on his side. He had told me about British style sidemount a couple years earlier, and I was diving British style, until Wes, Lamar, and Woody developed "American Sidemount". If you must go in there, be prepared to exit in a siltout. The silt is organtic, and very black. It goes to zero pretty fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    IIRC, Ginnie has had 30 fatalities, Royal has had about 20.
    Are the 30 pre gate in the ballroom? I'm trying to understand the "beyond the grate as #1" post.


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    Does anyone know details about the quadruple fatality that included a paraplegic? When I read the brief blurb about that accident in some old documents I was stunned that anyone would think taking a wheelchair bound person cave diving was a good idea. But stupid is as stupid does.

    Ken Sallot


 

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