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  • Bubble Model

    3 3.03%
  • Varying Permeability Model

    10 10.10%
  • Gradient Factors – Even – Like 30/70 or 20/80

    49 49.49%
  • Gradient Factors – Favor Deep Stops – Like 20/70

    4 4.04%
  • Gradient Factors – Favor Shallow Stops – Like 40/80

    33 33.33%
  • Ratio Deco

    9 9.09%
  • Tables – Like Navy

    2 2.02%
  • Other - please explain

    4 4.04%
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridabob View Post
    ..well, that's just a bit silly when you can watch what happens to your loop using an ECCR. O
    What's that mean to the people that know nothing of rb's


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    Quote Originally Posted by rddvet View Post
    What's that mean to the people that know nothing of rb's
    constant PPO2 = always best mix..
    no need to get to a certain depth for a specific gas switch..


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    I'm currently using 50/70 for deco dives. I'm experimenting with 70/70 & 65/65 on no-deco dives, but I haven't started using this on deco dives yet. I've also been known to occasionally use DCIEM tables - I haven't done this in some time, but I'm still not at the point of saying that I'd never use them. One other strange thing with me is that I only started using a computer for deco dives quite recently - probably about 5 years ago - before then it was tables,

    Thanks,
    Robert


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Cook View Post
    I'm experimenting with 70/70 & 65/65 on no-deco dives,
    This does not seem to make any sense to me..
    Please explain?
    It sound what you are saying an doing is that you cap a NDL dive at 70% respectively 65% of the Buehlmann model..
    Not sure what the experimenting angle would be as when you use such settings and stay out of deco it says that you were diving vers well within NDL limits.. no more no less..
    Or am I missing something?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Cook View Post
    I'm currently using 50/70 for deco dives. I'm experimenting with 70/70 & 65/65 on no-deco dives
    Thanks,
    Robert
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrogenius View Post
    This does not seem to make any sense to me..
    Please explain?
    Just for fun: 70/70
    MultiDeco 4.10 by Ross Hemingway,
    ZHL code by Erik C. Baker.

    Decompression model: ZHL16-B + GF

    DIVE PLAN
    Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
    Elevation = 0ft
    Conservatism = GF 70/70

    Dec to 130ft (2) Nitrox 25 60ft/min descent.
    Level 130ft 27:50 (30) Nitrox 25 1.23 ppO2, 122ft ead
    Asc to 40ft (33) Nitrox 25 -30ft/min ascent.
    Stop at 40ft 1:00 (34) Nitrox 25 0.55 ppO2, 36ft ead
    Stop at 30ft 5:00 (39) Nitrox 25 0.48 ppO2, 27ft ead
    Stop at 20ft 9:00 (48) Nitrox 25 0.40 ppO2, 17ft ead
    Stop at 10ft 22:00 (70) Nitrox 25 0.33 ppO2, 8ft ead
    Surface (71) Nitrox 25 -10ft/min ascent.

    OTU's this dive: 43
    CNS Total: 15.4%

    142.0 cu ft Nitrox 25
    142 cu ft TOTAL


    DIVE PLAN COMPLETE
    65/65
    MultiDeco 4.10 by Ross Hemingway,
    ZHL code by Erik C. Baker.

    Decompression model: ZHL16-B + GF

    DIVE PLAN
    Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
    Elevation = 0ft
    Conservatism = GF 65/65

    Dec to 130ft (2) Nitrox 25 60ft/min descent.
    Level 130ft 27:50 (30) Nitrox 25 1.23 ppO2, 122ft ead
    Asc to 40ft (33) Nitrox 25 -30ft/min ascent.
    Stop at 40ft 1:00 (34) Nitrox 25 0.55 ppO2, 36ft ead
    Stop at 30ft 6:00 (40) Nitrox 25 0.48 ppO2, 27ft ead
    Stop at 20ft 11:00 (51) Nitrox 25 0.40 ppO2, 17ft ead
    Stop at 10ft 25:00 (76) Nitrox 25 0.33 ppO2, 8ft ead
    Surface (77) Nitrox 25 -10ft/min ascent.

    OTU's this dive: 43
    CNS Total: 15.4%

    147.4 cu ft Nitrox 25
    147.4 cu ft TOTAL


    DIVE PLAN COMPLETE
    40/90
    MultiDeco 4.10 by Ross Hemingway,
    ZHL code by Erik C. Baker.

    Decompression model: ZHL16-B + GF

    DIVE PLAN
    Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
    Elevation = 0ft
    Conservatism = GF 40/90

    Dec to 130ft (2) Nitrox 25 60ft/min descent.
    Level 130ft 27:50 (30) Nitrox 25 1.23 ppO2, 122ft ead
    Asc to 50ft (32) Nitrox 25 -30ft/min ascent.
    Stop at 50ft 0:20 (33) Nitrox 25 0.63 ppO2, 46ft ead
    Stop at 40ft 2:00 (35) Nitrox 25 0.55 ppO2, 36ft ead
    Stop at 30ft 4:00 (39) Nitrox 25 0.48 ppO2, 27ft ead
    Stop at 20ft 6:00 (45) Nitrox 25 0.40 ppO2, 17ft ead
    Stop at 10ft 12:00 (57) Nitrox 25 0.33 ppO2, 8ft ead
    Surface (58) Nitrox 25 -10ft/min ascent.

    OTU's this dive: 43
    CNS Total: 15.6%

    131.4 cu ft Nitrox 25
    131.4 cu ft TOTAL


    DIVE PLAN COMPLETE

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    Jax, the piece I was not getting was the experimenting fo GF values around NO DECO dives..
    That is the angle that does not seem to make sense to me..
    Your examples are all well within Deco dives..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrogenius View Post
    Jax, the piece I was not getting was the experimenting fo GF values around NO DECO dives..
    The GF will in part determine whether or not it IS a dive requiring deco.


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    What PfcAJ says reflects my understanding and approach as well. Moved from VPM-B to Buehlmann with GF (default 30/80) after reading the NEDU study. Purely subjective/anecdotal but tend to feel less tired when driving 3-4 hours back home from deeper dives in Lake Michigan after the switch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleC View Post
    The GF will in part determine whether or not it IS a dive requiring deco.


    Well that part is obviously understood..


    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrogenius View Post
    It sounds what you are saying an doing is that you cap a NDL dive at 70% respectively 65% of the Buehlmann model..


    But that would be it..
    So essentially NDL dives will be conducted extremely conservative..
    not much experimenting..
    or is the experimenting angle a comparison against other Diving comps and other models. e.g. in comparing how much remaining NDL the other models/comupters still give..
    because a 65/65 remaining out of Deco will have to be even more conservative than any Suunto..


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    Quote Originally Posted by midway View Post
    What PfcAJ says reflects my understanding and approach as well. Moved from VPM-B to Buehlmann with GF (default 30/80) after reading the NEDU study. Purely subjective/anecdotal but tend to feel less tired when driving 3-4 hours back home from deeper dives in Lake Michigan after the switch.
    Which NEDU study, please?

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