Cookie vs. Arrow vs. REM

[OutOfTest]

Sure If silt out is the standard in the mudhole you describe, finding such Jump would be an interesting task


I guess T-Marking is the least issue anybody has as it is quite straight forward and nobody uses an arrow for these anyways..


Quite interesting perspective though 23 navigational decisions on 600' in zero vis..
That is definitely special..

There are one or two jumps I know in the UK, but they tend to be placed in caves with at least 6 feet of vis, which is good here!


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[Nitrogenius]

There are one or two jumps I know in the UK, but they tend to be placed in caves with at least 6 feet of vis, which is good here!

Yes 6 ' vis .. fantastic vis so to say
Reminds me of shore diving the Baltic in spring.. When the algea starts to grow 6' is also fantastic

[loquat149]

However, everyone knows that the "long" side is the arrow to the owner.

HaHa...wut?

Dave

[OutOfTest]

HaHa...wut?

Dave

Loquat. How do you see that in zero vis?


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[OutOfTest]

Though it has given me an idea for my own diving...


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[loquat149]

Loquat. How do you see that in zero vis?

How do you see what?

Dave

[FW]

How do you see what?

Dave

I suspect he means the little purple arrow

[loquat149]

I suspect he means the little purple arrow

Oh, well maybe there's tactile information on the other side of the REM that can be used in a no vis scenario. Maybe the little purple arrow doesn't mean what people think it does. Or, maybe it does. Maybe the orientation of the REM doesn't mean what Victor assumes it does. Maybe only the owner (and perhaps members of his dive team) know how to correctly interpret a personal line marker.

Dave

[FW]

Oh, well maybe there's tactile information on the other side of the REM that can be used in a no vis scenario. Maybe the little purple arrow doesn't mean what people think it does. Or, maybe it does. Maybe the orientation of the REM doesn't mean what Victor assumes it does. Maybe only the owner (and perhaps members of his dive team) know how to correctly interpret a personal line marker.

Dave

That is one reason I use clothespin type personal markers, nobody makes any assumptions about what they might mean.

[gearhound]

I'm still having a problem understanding what the issue is. Aren't people trained to use their own personal markers? Doesn't every cave course involve "stress tests" where you go lights out or blindfolded and then various failures are thrown at you. Doesn't one of these "tests" involve navigational tools?

Listen, if you're grabbing the wrong type of reel on exit, can't identify your own personal markers, and start taking others, perhaps you should be looking at another sport. I'd say golf, but sometimes they have yardage marked on the sprinkler heads. You might get confused as to whether it was the 4th hole or the 18th hole they were referring to.