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[tbone1004]

I don't recall any formal statement that there were no complaints against him, but I doubt this is LG's doing, he and JB were far too close for it to work out like that.

[Jack Hammer]

Go to the SB thread, you can read Ricks own comments. He was specifically asked if RN leaving was related to allegations or an investigation and said no while speaking highly of RN. There no few if any committees and only 4 BOD members remaining to put forth an investigation. LG is one, two of the others are his students (from what I understand) and Rick. The release says 3 of 4 found evidence to investigate.

All this after Rick stating that protecting people's reputation was important, then going and naming some one instead of saying we are investigating an incident?

Sounds fishy to me

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[victorzamora]

Its no secret RN and LG butted heads a bit.

My understanding is quite to the contrary of this.....like, Green got Neto appointed after stepping down. Rumor also has it that Jeff Bauer was protecting Green and Neto, which fits into why they're both gone AND why Neto is now being investigated.

[Jack Hammer]

We can all spin it any way we want. What I see is a bunch of contradictions, regardless of whether RN violated standards or not. I still believe publicly condemning some one without due process stinks of politics and personal axes to grind is highly suspicious.

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[victorzamora]

We can all spin it any way we want. What I see is a bunch of contradictions, regardless of whether RN violated standards or not. I still believe publicly condemning some one without due process stinks of politics and personal axes to grind is highly suspicious.

ALL of it can be spun by someone as axe-grindy, but ALL of it is suspicious and purely politics. On that we agree 100%. We'll have to ride it out to determine if I've finally found an Org to fall in love with or if it's the same old crappy tune with a different band.

[tbone1004]

so what Rick said, after reading that thread was that his resignation was not due to an accusation of the training violation.

Quote Originally Posted by ucfdiver View Post
Yes Rick, I will admit I was fishing. I was really curious if anyone who resigned, did so after being accused of training violations.

I thought so and I would have to say NO



Now, whether he knew that the accusation was coming and mentioned it before may be the reason, but he may have stated in his resignation letter that there were other reasons. He also mentioned confidentiality and it may have occurred during that session. What happened if he resigned, and then the meeting after the resignation included whether to suspend and investigate? Rick's answer could still be no.

He also mentioned the vote was 3/4, who's to say the 1 vote to not suspend/investigate was LG's? We don't know, we don't need to know, all that matters is how Rick handles replacing the rest of the board members. If LG goes back to TD, that will likely be the death knell of the organization, and I think Rick knows that, and because of that, I think he's going to be getting fresh blood back in there and hopefully try to move beyond all of this nonsense. If he does, I'll renew my membership with the organization after I stopped it when this whole thing started a few years ago, if LG goes back to TD, I can guarandamntee you that I won't put a penny into it until every board member is out of there

[Omisson]

pruning may have been the wrong choice of words due them all leaving voluntarily, but this is what I actually meant.

Pruning is the removal of dead and some live parts of a plant to stimulate healthy growth. MAG left on his own accord, he was a tremendous asset to the NACD as conservation director as was Zelda in operations, their separation is unfortunate, and I think while the timing is coincidental to the other two losses, they are somewhat independent.

We have seen in the last day that RN is being investigated for training standards violations, we all know that this has been an issue with many in the past and we are all glad that it has come to light, JB was indirectly part of this because there have been reports filed with the NACD with no action, were their resignations due to this investigation? I don't know, but it seems that their resignation was going to be infinitely better than their dismissal.

I don't want LG back as TD, I don't think anyone really does, and I don't think Rick will appoint him as TD, maybe as interim until a new one is elected, but I don't think he will be the permanent solution. I will say that you can't have your TD suspended for standards violations though, so in that case whether they decided to resign independent of this situation, or because they knew this was coming, that is the removal of the bad to spur new growth for the better.

Maybe if we know what caused them to resign? Did they send a letter or issue a statement on why they resigned?

[tbone1004]

they did, but i'm sure that is confidential, meeting minutes might have them when they are made public, right now only members have access until Rick gets website access to post it

[victorzamora]

Man, I'm so torn. This drama is better than most Soaps, but it's SOO frustrating. It's like Walking Dead. The drama is juicy so I don't want to look away, but it's really missing the point of what I'm here for....

[Draker]

Man, I'm so torn. This drama is better than most Soaps, but it's SOO frustrating. It's like Walking Dead. The drama is juicy so I don't want to look away, but it's really missing the point of what I'm here for....

Really? You think this is drama?

There has been no mention of illegal narcotics. No genitalia exposed. No handguns wielded.

No arrests have been made and no one has died in the process.

No caves have been closed or access blocked.

No 10 year olds were found diving in the cavern some and no recent gang bangs in a seedy motel room.

No one has been physically harmed or verbally threatened.

This recent nonsense hardly rates on the drama scale.

Just business as usual if you ask me.