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NFSA member because of the good work they are doing- NSS and two grottos the Northeast and CDS because of my interest in the science and geohistory. But still think the NACD has something to contribute if they keep moving forward.
Dan-O
NSS-CDS- Full Cave
PADI- OWSI
TDI-Trimix
I belong to:
NSS-CDS, as I want to eventually dive Cow,... I just need to find someone to dive with who knows it.
NACD (10 yr) was trying to help do some good in cave country, since I live so far away,.... that was until the shenanigans started, very disappointed.
NFSA, As some mentioned,... they seem to be doing more good at this point.
I will take you into Cow. just let me know when you will be in FL.Originally Posted by tstormdiver
Apparently after this weekend's implosion of the NACD that's not gonna be moving forward very fast...
Dan-O
NSS-CDS- Full Cave
PADI- OWSI
TDI-Trimix
Dan, after what Dan posted yesterday I'd hardly call it implosion. It might have just been the pruning that was needed to revive it....
MAG was a breath of fresh air- his loss and his wife as ops manager is not "pruning"- rob Neto has done a great job reworking the training programs and has been out and about rebuilding... You think he needed to be "pruned"?
Is it wise to have Larry Back as TD? Wasn't the reason for that change in the first place to show the NACD was evolving and letting new blood in?
Dan-O
NSS-CDS- Full Cave
PADI- OWSI
TDI-Trimix
This sounds a bit opposite what you were recently posting. Those guys left of their own accord, they weren't "pruned". They were making a noticeable difference and were breathing new air into the organization. Perhaps you meant to convey a different message?
Jeff Rouse
Chicago, IL
I don't know about MAG, but there was MUCH complaining about Jeff and Rob. Rob is now suspended for a possible standards violation..... clearly an awful Training Director choice.
Also, Jeff and Rob quit the same day as each other, just after Rick posts a giant thread about "cleaning house"and just before Robs suspension? I'm sorry, this was clearly a pruning. Not a bag thing, either. I'm getting really close to forking money over in support.
pruning may have been the wrong choice of words due them all leaving voluntarily, but this is what I actually meant.
Pruning is the removal of dead and some live parts of a plant to stimulate healthy growth. MAG left on his own accord, he was a tremendous asset to the NACD as conservation director as was Zelda in operations, their separation is unfortunate, and I think while the timing is coincidental to the other two losses, they are somewhat independent.
We have seen in the last day that RN is being investigated for training standards violations, we all know that this has been an issue with many in the past and we are all glad that it has come to light, JB was indirectly part of this because there have been reports filed with the NACD with no action, were their resignations due to this investigation? I don't know, but it seems that their resignation was going to be infinitely better than their dismissal.
I don't want LG back as TD, I don't think anyone really does, and I don't think Rick will appoint him as TD, maybe as interim until a new one is elected, but I don't think he will be the permanent solution. I will say that you can't have your TD suspended for standards violations though, so in that case whether they decided to resign independent of this situation, or because they knew this was coming, that is the removal of the bad to spur new growth for the better.
That's one way to interpret events...
Another would be the NACD publicly stating there were no complaints against RN and RN leaving of his own accord. Then a few days later posting a public shaming. Its no secret RN and LG butted heads a bit. Looks vindictive and like good ole boy politics to me.
Last edited by Jack Hammer; 04-16-2015 at 12:24 PM. Reason: Correcting Auto correct
Jeff Rouse
Chicago, IL
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