Will this work?

[Red Hat Jef]

I vote you grab onto his manifold and swim out with him.

[bent]

... if I have a bladder failure I am walking, crawling and swimming my way out...

You might not be able to if there is a real thick layer of silt in the cave.

[PfcAJ]

You might not be able to if there is a real thick layer of silt in the cave.

Or if the line is on the ceiling.

[twaldo]

You might not be able to if there is a real thick layer of silt in the cave.

Hence the practice of no mounting. my point was at the point of catastrophic buoyancy failure there are options. I mean really the history of BCD's really does start with the caving community, before then open water divers had to have their buoyancy pretty much right on, cave divers needed someway to not just become lead bricks on the bottom of the cave. I LOVE reading about milk jugs being tied to tanks. I can swim with an AL 80 and be just a tad buoyant, probably a bit negative with an LP85 and in an emergency like wing failure I'm pretty sure exiting the cave would be possible.
Don't worry, you wont see me at 700' down Olsen holding an LP85 under my arm and kicking for all I"m worth just to prove that I could... I already annoy you guys enough by diving shorts-n-Tshirt.

Tim

[FW]

Hence the practice of no mounting. my point was at the point of catastrophic buoyancy failure there are options. I mean really the history of BCD's really does start with the caving community, before then open water divers had to have their buoyancy pretty much right on, cave divers needed someway to not just become lead bricks on the bottom of the cave. I LOVE reading about milk jugs being tied to tanks. I can swim with an AL 80 and be just a tad buoyant, probably a bit negative with an LP85 and in an emergency like wing failure I'm pretty sure exiting the cave would be possible.
Don't worry, you wont see me at 700' down Olsen holding an LP85 under my arm and kicking for all I"m worth just to prove that I could... I already annoy you guys enough by diving shorts-n-Tshirt.

Tim

There are actually very few caves you could crawl out of. Most caves have a variety of passages, and many would make crawling out very difficult. Having redundant buoyancy is very important for cave diving. While using your buddy as redundant buoyancy might work in some cases, it isn't really a very good option.

[floridabob]

The question was, do you think this will work >>>if you are diving wet.<<<

I think I might understand now...you are actually contemplating this as an option in a cave. As in you will bring a safety sausage with you....

Don't.

You should get a drysuit or a different kit. Or just quit cave diving. I mean: if you are really talking about crawling out of a cave or bringing in a safety sausage instead of planning to respond to an emergency in the most effective/least dangerous way--then this may not be the best hobby for you.

This is a variable/response you can easily eliminate/plan. Save such a creative response for a true ohshit moment.

To directly answer your question: yes, that guy could make that work in that pool in a wetsuit.

[cmint]

I think I might understand now...you are actually contemplating this as an option in a cave. As in you will bring a safety sausage with you....

Don't.

You should get a drysuit or a different kit. Or just quit cave diving. I mean: if you are really talking about crawling out of a cave or bringing in a safety sausage instead of planning to respond to an emergency in the most effective/least dangerous way--then this may not be the best hobby for you.

This is a variable/response you can easily eliminate/plan. Save such a creative response for a true ohshit moment.

To directly answer your question: yes, that guy could make that work in that pool in a wetsuit.

Your answer makes no sense at all. You are saying that the ONLY solution is to "just buy a drysuit" .... funny, I see people diving with sms 75's and wetsuits every weekend. I passed my cave class in a wetsuit. You are saying that nobody should be in a cave without a drysuit? reallllly?

[floridabob]

"get a drysuit or a different kit"

"Or" would not imply "only" to me. And you quoted "just buy a drysuit" as if I said it...?

If you see people diving what you dive every weekend why wouldnt you ask them what their plan is?

You have had a full cave class in BM, I assume, and options for emergency mgmt would have been covered. What was covered in your SM class? I would have to think that the gear setup you have would be a subject for discussion with your instructor while in training. It nearly always is.

So, what was your instructor's input to manage this scenario? I would think he/she would be immensely more qualified than us internet toads.

And finally, no. I am not saying nobody should be in a cave without a drysuit. Please God dont tell me you interpreted that from my post. I hope you are extrapolating and using hyperbole to try and prove some unknown point you have.

Perhaps you read my post as an insult and are therefore defensive? It was not intended as such. I was serious: dont plan this option--pick something else as your parachute.

Bob

[cmint]

"get a drysuit or a different kit"

"Or" would not imply "only" to me. And you quoted "just buy a drysuit" as if I said it...?

If you see people diving what you dive every weekend why wouldnt you ask them what their plan is?

You have had a full cave class in BM, I assume, and options for emergency mgmt would have been covered. What was covered in your SM class? I would have to think that the gear setup you have would be a subject for discussion with your instructor while in training. It nearly always is.

So, what was your instructor's input to manage this scenario? I would think he/she would be immensely more qualified than us internet toads.

And finally, no. I am not saying nobody should be in a cave without a drysuit. Please God dont tell me you interpreted that from my post. I hope you are extrapolating and using hyperbole to try and prove some unknown point you have.

Perhaps you read my post as an insult and are therefore defensive? It was not intended as such. I was serious: dont plan this option--pick something else as your parachute.

Bob

You have yet to say why it won't work. Just that you don't like it.

If it were shorter, fatter and black, and named a trim pillow, would that make you like it more? Prior to this video I considered putting an MSR bag in the back of the BC to act as a dual bladder. Would that suffice since it is black and ninja-like and doesn't look open watery?

I'm going to try this and if you see a guy blow by you this weekend riding a safety sausage, wave hi.

I'll let you know on Monday if it works.

And no, I've never dove backmount doubles. I started in sidemount.

[Pavão]

Cheap and orally inflatable


You can get them in a less intimidating theme as well