Back up light (or OW primary) found at Ginnie 8/10/13

[syntaxerrorsix]

I suppose it was a bit harsh. Good to know they were "extras." But is five lights really necessary? I'll leave that for another thread! Glad you got your lights back, and sorry for my rant.

sklp

It was harsh. You jumped to conclusions without a full understanding of the situation, if you would like to question his instructor go look up CDS 106 and give him a call. Sure hope you don't lose anything anytime soon

[cerich]

Honestly my backup lights when cave diving if they are non rechargeable get fresh batteries at the beginning of every visit to cave country. I have a 6 year old, she can use the "old " batteries and a dad around so being cheap on batteries is stupid. If my backups are rechargeable units they get charged the night prior to diving and each day at the end, even if I didn't use them (seen enough backup lights left on by divers unaware to assume I never did, even though I am better than those losers )

Skip had a very good, valid point, just didn't come off very nice. I thought the same as he did, because they were called back up lights. I usually dive with five lights as well as I have two on my helmet. Two back ups isn't enough. awhile ago I tested my back-ups and they were fine, but for some reason an hour or so into the dive I pulled one out and turned it on, it would only work for a short time. Pretty sure the batteries were close to being dead and while they were warm they would work fine, but chill them down and then they wouldn't. They were alkaline which means they should have a ridiculous shelf life. Now I stagger battery replacement in my back ups.
Anybody have a better idea? Ideally load testing I guess is the answer, but who's going to do that?
Oh, and threads go off topic all the time, I for one think a very good job is done on splitting out a thread.
I don't have over 500 cave dives, is there relevance in that? When does complacency kick in for the average cave diver?

[Marty Watson]

Constructive criticism is fine folks, but sometimes it gets out of hand on the forum. We can all attest that everyone has a difference of opinion involving gear placement and or configuration. Peter is an avid, and excellent OC/CCR diver with thousands of dives that were considered "safe". Many of his dives were with me, as I choose dive with Peter over most, he clearly is a 1%er in the Cave Community...Hope that makes good sense to you.
I/we that participate in the CDF don't see the relevance of taking this and creating confrontation within the forum. In other words, if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say it at all. We have enough drama coming in from out of town, so try to minimize exposing yourself to further complications in the cave community.

Thanks in advance.

[cerich]

sorry, I don't buy it. A 1% in the cave community??? WTF is that? Sorry your post smacks of both a "can't happen to me " mentality as well as projecting a seriously arrogant attitude with a royal "i/we" thrown in for effect?

Glad your royal court doesn't see the relevance, except that somehow over the last few years we as a community have managed to trash a pretty darn good cave safety record in regards to trained cavern and cave divers compared to the 20+ years that preceded. Why? Some believe that we are giving a pass to stupidity because we don't want to hurt peoples feelings.

Plus, if you think think the drama in the cave diving community is brought about only by "coming in from out of town" then all I can do is shake my head. Frankly that "townie" mentality is sophomoric.

Constructive criticism is fine folks, but sometimes it gets out of hand on the forum. We can all attest that everyone has a difference of opinion involving gear placement and or configuration. Peter is an avid, and excellent OC/CCR diver with thousands of dives that were considered "safe". Many of his dives were with me, as I choose dive with Peter over most, he clearly is a 1%er in the Cave Community...Hope that makes good sense to you.
I/we that participate in the CDF don't see the relevance of taking this and creating confrontation within the forum. In other words, if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say it at all. We have enough drama coming in from out of town, so try to minimize exposing yourself to further complications in the cave community.

Thanks in advance.

[plapin]

Chris,

since this seems to be such a hot topic.. lets close this out and start a new thread on backup lights and light maintenance in general.
this is not the place to decuse such things. nobody will ever be able to gain any value from this decusion under the lost and found thread and hope we can keep it to constructive cridisum only.

Honestly my backup lights when cave diving if they are non rechargeable get fresh batteries at the beginning of every visit to cave country. I have a 6 year old, she can use the "old " batteries and a dad around so being cheap on batteries is stupid. If my backups are rechargeable units they get charged the night prior to diving and each day at the end, even if I didn't use them (seen enough backup lights left on by divers unaware to assume I never did, even though I am better than those losers )

[cerich]

a64pilot in his reply said the following "They were alkaline which means they should have a ridiculous shelf life. Now I stagger battery replacement in my back ups.
Anybody have a better idea?". I relied to it and quoted it.

Starting a new thread is a poor way of replying to a comment and question in another thread.

Chris,

since this seems to be such a hot topic.. lets close this out and start a new thread on backup lights and light maintenance in general.
this is not the place to decuse such things. nobody will ever be able to gain any value from this decusion under the lost and found thread and hope we can keep it to constructive cridisum only.

[plapin]

I disagree, if a newbie wanted info on backup light maintenance and procedure he is not going to look in the lost in found section

a64pilot in his reply said the following "They were alkaline which means they should have a ridiculous shelf life. Now I stagger battery replacement in my back ups.
Anybody have a better idea?". I relied to it and quoted it.

Starting a new thread is a poor way of replying to a comment and question in another thread.