Planning a scooter dive to Heinkel restriction for very first time ...

[divingabe]

SWIM IT FIRST and plan your swim by distance and sac rate. If I can swim it you certainly can (59yrs yound).
Staged an 80 at stage rock
carried 200 cu ft bail cylinders
did the swim on rebreather total run time 3hrs.
Gabe

[LiteHedded]

swim it first is a ridiculous rule. nearly all of the new exploration I've done has been on scooters.
I think brett and andy should have swam at phantom springs before they scootered it too. c'mon...

[FW]

swim it first is a ridiculous rule. nearly all of the new exploration I've done has been on scooters.
I think brett and andy should have swam at phantom springs before they scootered it too. c'mon...

Depends on how much previous scooter experience you have had. These guys seem new, and scootering a wreck is nothing like scootering a cave.

[apitkin]

swim it first is a ridiculous rule. nearly all of the new exploration I've done has been on scooters.
I think brett and andy should have swam at phantom springs before they scootered it too. c'mon...

It's not a rule, it's just good advice. Of course it doesn't apply to every situation. No way would I want to lay line in large cave at 300+ feet swimming, but at 100 feet depth? I'd rather swim every time, you'll do a much better job.

Lots of good advice has been offered already. I would think either a cave DPV class or even a few less ambitious (relatively) scooter dives in Ginnie and the answers will become obvious.

Andy

[kwinter]

Sebastian - can you do me a favor and send my stuff back to me before you head for Ginnie? Or give me a call.

[Jont]

1. Ok so I'm replying and next questions to all,
- we're big guys 240 lbs, would say rather fit than not

2. On average ocean wreck dive (thats what we do the most here in North East) my sac rate will be somewhere from 0.6 - 0.7 with full configuration, steel doubles, one or two stages, drysuit etc. but no scooter
With scooter would say somewhere from 0.45 and up.

3. How long does it take to swim there (from - to in average) just finning, in average not killing myself speed ?

4. Somebody mentioned the white line meaning I'm there, what that line is there for?

1. Your crew is in good shape and most of you can bench press a small house. Is Damien on his meg?

2. Because its your first time, with SAC rates like that I'd use 1200 feet pr 80, it could be much less but you need to stay in the current and have it push you out, which is quite nice, but that'll take a bit to figure out. When swimming in you obviously want to stay out of the current and that can be a little tricky the first few times.

3. The first time I went to the Hinkle I was alone with my REVO and 3 stages (dropped one on the shelf) and it took me 1.5 hours, now 60 minutes.

4. The gold line ends and changes to white line in/at the Hinkle thats between 3100 and 3200 feet in, its a very easy dive because its very big with flow to clear up any "mistakes".

You may want to try the roller coster shortcut on scooters at max speed, its so much fun but do that at night so you wont hurt the viz for other divers.

Ginnie is often criticized as being a "tourist cave" and it is.....so what, most that say that are jackasses that in all liklyhood dont dive very much or very well and havent seen much of Ginnie. There are very cool tunnels in the first 700 feet of Ginnie that most dont know exist, and some of the things well beyond the Hinkle are amazing.

Ginnie is one of the last places where the diver is given the responsibility to make their own decisions, there are over 7 miles of cave and usually good viz, so it may be a tourist cave but its also one of the best caves.

You guys will have a great time.

[Jont]

swim it first is a ridiculous rule. nearly all of the new exploration I've done has been on scooters.
I think brett and andy should have swam at phantom springs before they scootered it too. c'mon...

Listen sweetheart, its not a ridiculous rule, its not even a rule, its good sound advise.

Comparing this situation to Brett and Andy is as reckless as your absurd comment, those two are the first to say DONT DO WHAT WE DO, ITS VERY VERY DANGERIOUS. It makes no sense to add risk to a simple and easy dive like the Hinkle, first timers should swim it because it gives them an understanding of the environment and requirements during a bail out situation.

But do what you want to do, no one really cares but little head maybe if you can please try and restrain yourself from posting stupid things like that......that is if you can.

[LiteHedded]

Listen sweetheart, its not a ridiculous rule, its not even a rule, its good sound advise.

Comparing this situation to Brett and Andy is as reckless as your absurd comment, those two are the first to say DONT DO WHAT WE DO, ITS VERY VERY DANGERIOUS. It makes no sense to add risk to a simple and easy dive like the Hinkle, first timers should swim it because it gives them an understanding of the environment and requirements during a bail out situation.

But do what you want to do, no one really cares but little head maybe if you can please try and restrain yourself from posting stupid things like that......that is if you can.

Thanks peaches. Ill take it under advisement and we'll agree to disagree. I don't feel it's unsafe to scooter to the henkle without swimming it first so long as your plan is solid. And unlike others here I'm not planning his dive for him.

I assume this dude has a dpv card if he's scootering at ginnie and can make his own decisions.

[FW]

Jont,

There is no need to call people names to get your point across. I have warned you before about breaking rules. This is an official warning, next time, you are gone.

[TraceMalin]

Dang, dude, very little cave diving experience and you are scootering to the H. Who was your instructor?