Probably, but it does not have anything to do with cave diving.Originally Posted by a64pilot
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Probably, but it does not have anything to do with cave diving.
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Mine was directed towards dives at wakulla, most people don't like divers diving there just for fun.
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"cave diving on CCR is like trusting an iphones maps to get you to your first date.... A Pain to setup, but a rush when pulling through tight spaces so far from home"
What he didn't add was that Dr. Sawicki is a GUE member. Gotta like how stuff goes hand in hand.
I got that, but why?
Sorry I don't buy into the legions of morons that will show up in the dozens to dive and due to their inexperience, lack of maturity and skills, they will wreck the place.
The depth, cost, level of training and support required will keep the numbers down.
Am I off my nut, would there be more than one or two teams a week diving Wakulla?
What percentage of cave divers are even qualified to make the dive? I though full tri-mix was a little uncommon?
There was a dye trace performed recently, but I don't know when/if the data from that will put on Kincaid's website. When it is, I'll send you a link to it. There is also some stuff on there in regards to the metering projects from as recently as Nov2011.
As far as the number of dives go, there's only 2 or 3 support divers in the water (on rare occasion there might be a few more), and shift times range from 3-6hours, depending on what's going on. Having been on a few 6hr shifts in the middle of the night, I wish there were more people there. Its not all rainbows and unicorns, but it can be fun. Its what you make of it. Fwiw, I'm pretty sure that the last dive in Wakulla was almost a year ago. Conditions just haven't been right.
Thanks for the info, I didn't know that he was a GUE member, nor do I know if he is a member of the NACD, NSS-CDS, NFSA, AAUS, or any other organization. Do you know (or care) if he's a member of any other organizations? "The flow was almost non-existent and a bunch of idiot GUE guys were in the cave doing whatever they do." I found that on page 1 of your personal blog. Statements like that are real professional. It makes me want to take you and your opinions very seriously...
Because my impression was that the WKPP gets to dive wakulla for "research". But when you have guys that say they do research and then just go and dive for fun. I personally am not qualified to dive there. But I want it open for my friends and other divers that are.
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"cave diving on CCR is like trusting an iphones maps to get you to your first date.... A Pain to setup, but a rush when pulling through tight spaces so far from home"
Anybody with an Open Water card would be qualified to dive the immediate basin, and why not? It's State property, access should be allowed to the tax paying citizens. If you're really worried about it, put a novice line across the basin to keep them (OW) hearded-up back to a safe depth.
I think everyone is tired of wannabe scientists getting to dive there based on whatever contrived purpose they happen to dream up. Perhaps the term scientist, (in the future for these purposes), can be defined as tenured professors maintaining a teaching schedule and having obtained grant money for their institutions via research for the private sector. No fake scientists there...this ought to knockout about 90% of those diving on current permits.
Great,I wasn't sure if the updated info was posted somewhere else. Florida is in a crisis,and data/info is important.
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OK, sorry I guess I'm not making myself clear.
I think the biggest and main objection to recreational diving is the recreational people will "ruin" the cave. Some have claimed they would deface it by carving initials etc, others have said that they wouldn't mean to damage the cave, but by merely being recreational divers, their skill level wouldn't be nearly as good as the group that dives there now, other accusations of theft of artifacts have been made.
I'm talking about the cave, to actually dive the cave back a decent distance, is I think beyond the abilities of most.
You won't need to "filter" who is and who isn't allowed to dive here to keep the irresponsible out, the dive itself will do the filtering.
My personal belief is just because it's State land does not in itself mean that anything should be allowed, some things are just not compatible with current use, as a ridiculous example, you wouldn't put a race track beside of a Cemetery would you?
I have had a chance to work with him quite a bit. You'll find he is interested in collecting data for his project,and he doesn't really care what agency anybody represents,and all the political boundries we have established. I have seen a sampling of his data from his research project,and it will really fill in some gaps in the understanding of these species.
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