Welcome to the Cave Diver's Forum.
+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 36
  1. #21
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, Tennessee
    Posts
    3,270

    Default

    Psychology Today is not respectable at all. Students are not permitted to cite it in term papers and we do our best to explain to them that it's contents are hogwash. It's main mission it to make money for its publishers and perhaps entertain the uneducated. We do have serious peer-reviewed scientific journals, which are as you characterize your field - hypothesis, modeling, etc.

    skip

    "Learning the techniques of others does not interfere with the discovery of techniques of one's own." B.F. Skinner, 1970.

  2. #22
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Florida
    Posts
    3,434

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    How about, "...Jackson Blue Spring, a long, deep lake in the Florida panhandle..." ?
    Well, for someone who doesn't dive, 100' is deep...


    I really get tired of people trying to represent cave diving as the most dangerous sport. They obviously haven't done their research.

    Rob Neto
    Chipola Divers, LLC
    Check out my new book - Sidemount Diving - An Almost Comprehensive Guide
    "Survival depends on being able to suppress anxiety and replace it with calm, clear, quick and correct reasoning..." -Sheck Exley

  3. #23
    Administrator Forum Admin
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    24,000

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RN View Post
    Well, for someone who doesn't dive, 100' is deep...
    What part of the mill pond is 100' deep? He didn't say "long deep cave".

    Forrest Wilson (with 2 Rs)
    Any opinions are personal.
    Sump Divers

  4. #24
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Charleston, SC
    Age
    47
    Posts
    397

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skip View Post
    Psychology Today is not respectable at all. Students are not permitted to cite it in term papers and we do our best to explain to them that it's contents are hogwash. It's main mission it to make money for its publishers and perhaps entertain the uneducated. We do have serious peer-reviewed scientific journals, which are as you characterize your field - hypothesis, modeling, etc.

    skip
    That makes sense... Indeed this did not seem like a formal journal. Thank you for clarifying.

    Xenia, a.k.a. Local Zip Code Diver

  5. #25

    Default

    It seems like this isn't even a serious article but merely a "blog."


  6. #26

    Default

    For you psych types - Are there any diagnostics to determine predisposition to a total shutdown in reaction to panic?

    I've only 'lost it' once - after falling in an ice cave and becoming wedged in a near-vertical crack. I was alone and under-geared. The tunnel vision passed after a few moments, but that would be all it takes in a water-filled cave to set yourself up for the end. I was only 13 or 14 at the time, so perhaps biological and psychological immaturity may make this not-so-telling for me.

    Also - while I don't recall it being called Shark Night, 'that night' of YMCA scuba class was the most valuable scuba training exercise I've ever experienced! Builds significant confidence, while reducing ego!


  7. #27
    Administrator Forum Admin
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    24,000

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by refinished View Post
    For you psych types - Are there any diagnostics to determine predisposition to a total shutdown in reaction to panic?

    I've only 'lost it' once - after falling in an ice cave and becoming wedged in a near-vertical crack. I was alone and under-geared. The tunnel vision passed after a few moments, but that would be all it takes in a water-filled cave to set yourself up for the end. I was only 13 or 14 at the time, so perhaps biological and psychological immaturity may make this not-so-telling for me.

    Also - while I don't recall it being called Shark Night, 'that night' of YMCA scuba class was the most valuable scuba training exercise I've ever experienced! Builds significant confidence, while reducing ego!
    That experience has probably made you much less susceptible to panic attacks. I have had a few like that over the years, and each one has made it easier for me to deal with stressful situations.

    Forrest Wilson (with 2 Rs)
    Any opinions are personal.
    Sump Divers

  8. #28

    Default

    Forrest, I totally agree with you. Any experience in stifling panic is useful in the next stressful situation. I had years of dealing with situations spiraling out of control (patients have a way of doing that) and we said about our second year of residency, that your panic button got pushed so often it didn't work any more. Certainly, the high-stress situations I've been in underwater have each worked to give me greater self-control for the next.

    However, I will say that, if you are air-hungry enough, you may remove your regulator. I had a cold water immersion experience that left me severely short of breath, and damned if I didn't take my regulator out to see if I could breathe better without it. (I couldn't.) I was on the surface, though . . .


  9. #29
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Norfolk, VA
    Posts
    482

    Default

    Agree with everyone, especially if this article had shown up in Advanced Diver Magazine, NACD Journal, etc. But it didn't.

    On the bright side (of the article, and not the death), this is an article that avers the dangers of cave diving + is aimed at the general public. Chances are that many OW divers (and yet-to-be-OW divers) may read it or have read it. Nothing wrong, IMO, with letting people know that it's dangerous in a cave, even if the message does smack of sensationalism.

    Bill Ripley

    Rebreathers are something that we have to go to in order to dive the way we want to dive. They are not something we go to for any other reason.

  10. #30
    Administrator Forum Admin
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    24,000

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LCF View Post
    Forrest, I totally agree with you. Any experience in stifling panic is useful in the next stressful situation. I had years of dealing with situations spiraling out of control (patients have a way of doing that) and we said about our second year of residency, that your panic button got pushed so often it didn't work any more. Certainly, the high-stress situations I've been in underwater have each worked to give me greater self-control for the next.

    However, I will say that, if you are air-hungry enough, you may remove your regulator. I had a cold water immersion experience that left me severely short of breath, and damned if I didn't take my regulator out to see if I could breathe better without it. (I couldn't.) I was on the surface, though . . .
    I like that "panic button" analogy

    I have done hard surface swims, and was overbreathing the reg so bad, that is did work better to remove it. A wave breaking over you might negate that, however.

    Forrest Wilson (with 2 Rs)
    Any opinions are personal.
    Sump Divers


 

Similar Threads

  1. FFM malfunction causes panic
    By IRAP Administrator in forum Incident Reporting and Analysis Project (IRAP)
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-03-2007, 09:52 PM
  2. Madison Blue Panic
    By IRAP Administrator in forum Incident Reporting and Analysis Project (IRAP)
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-03-2007, 09:50 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts