Does Devil's make people rude??

[double humper]

(Let's see how many people I can offend.)

The problems here can be attributed to one thing: cave diving instructors teaching and passing people who are not ready to be cave divers.

My instructor insisted on two things: one hundred open water dives, and the ability to demonstrate awareness underwater, before he would take someone as a cavern student.

I wonder how many other instructors feel the same way.

The problems really can't be attributed to just one thing. Each diver is personally accountable for their actions. A parent who has raised their child to know right from wrong is not to blame when the child makes a bad decision.

[flyczek]

Lets blow up July - it will make a nice entrance.

I almost ruined my keyboard reading this. What a great idea! Nothing bad could possibly come of this.

We could mandate a circuit for every dive, color code the lines and install "you are here" signs, while we are at it.

[Dsix36]

I would like to thank the members who brought up the error of running a gap line directly from the mainline to the jump line. I had never given much thought to the problems that this could cause scooters. Granted, I am still fairly new to caves and have not done this too many times, but I know that I have done it a few times.

I will change my ways and try to make sure my lines are kept low from now on.

[WEPIV]

I would like to thank the members who brought up the error of running a gap line directly from the mainline to the jump line. I had never given much thought to the problems that this could cause scooters. Granted, I am still fairly new to caves and have not done this too many times, but I know that I have done it a few times.

I will change my ways and try to make sure my lines are kept low from now on.

This is one of the things that my cave instructor made sure I did. I love placing rocks on top of my line to keep it low and to the side, (whenever possible). If you look you'll notice that at most all of the jump areas there are rocks on the floor just for this purpose.

[fixxervi6]

I almost ruined my keyboard reading this. What a great idea! Nothing bad could possibly come of this.

We could mandate a circuit for every dive, color code the lines and install "you are here" signs, while we are at it.

And leave glow sticks you can break in case of emergency?

[Sludge]

think about your deco and plan your stops so they're in a place where people can get by!

I don't see how this applies to the Devil System. Going out the Eye, there's a spot at 50' (where the exit makes a 90° left) to move to the right, completely out of everyone's way to make a Pyle Stop; at 30' there's a place to the left at the bottom of the "daylit" room that can allow half a dozen divers to deco; then the bottom of the open water well is 20'. It's as if the cave was designed for deco.

[amphipod06]

The problems really can't be attributed to just one thing. Each diver is personally accountable for their actions. A parent who has raised their child to know right from wrong is not to blame when the child makes a bad decision.

But first, the parent/instructor needs to teach the child/student this particular pearl of wisdom, no? (being accountable for one self and own actions and that actions DO have consequences, good or bad...)

Dive safe,

Celia

[amphipod06]

And leave glow sticks you can break in case of emergency?

Oh shoot, there goes the monitor again, diet coke all over it!!

Dive safe,

Celia

[divindoc]

This is one of the things that my cave instructor made sure I did. I love placing rocks on top of my line to keep it low and to the side, (whenever possible). If you look you'll notice that at most all of the jump areas there are rocks on the floor just for this purpose.

Two nice rocks to select from on the floor at the Hill 400 jump!

[Dsix36]

This is one of the things that my cave instructor made sure I did. I love placing rocks on top of my line to keep it low and to the side, (whenever possible). If you look you'll notice that at most all of the jump areas there are rocks on the floor just for this purpose.

don't get me wrong. My instructor taught me this too. I just never put it in context of jump lines but rather when running the primary into the cave.

Hill 400 is where I am guilty.