Rule #6 - Changed!

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Vote Over! Change Won out. Rule #6 has significantly changed as of today!

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Change is good... After some thought, the moderators agreed to a change to the infamous Rule #6.

Was: No personal opinions or endorsements (negative or positive) about other individuals, cave diving related businesses and organizations.

To: Comments about individuals, agencies, organizations and businesses will be removed if found to be inflammatory or cause the discussion to be uncivil.
Suggestions for wording change will be appreciated.

This is a major change. People can say a lot more about a lot of things. Negative postings can be posted... as long as one of us doesn't think it is inflammatory or uncivil... sounds like more work for the moderators... but they agree to try a change in rules...

The other rules still apply. Remember our 'preamble' and goal of this site is written atop the page...

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The purpose of the Cave Diver's Forum is to provide a place on the internet for civil discussions of anything cavern or cave diving related.

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Originally Posted by tj

Suggestions for wording change will be appreciated.

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Rule #6: NO flaming

I don't know if I should feel good or bad about my rather benign posting causing such a stir.
I agree with the change though and I for one will be on my best behavoir at all times unless of course OFG-1 aka "Ollie" tries anything funny or talks bad about my Mama. Then it will be ON GUARD!! :smt065
:-D

Thanks MODs.

Merle Stokes

If this is a vote to change things, I personally like rule number six from Dick Culver's Shooting Page (CSP Forum.)


6. You may not place an ad selling your wife, children, pets or vehicles. (Husbands Allowed). All firearms and related items are welcome. These boards are not intended to restrict items to just M1 Garands or service rifle items.

Their rule number three may be appropriate here.

3. CSP reserves the right to refuse to publish anything that is inappropriate, and/or to "clear" the board.


/Ken

I like the wording of the new rule.

I think Sludge & all the mod's do a great & thankless job (I know I don't have time to do it).

IMO I also think sludge should have just deleted the whole post at the git go, but he probably does too now.


Mike M

I like the mods' evolved interpretations of rule #6 based upon precedence. I would interpret it as:

users have the right to post opinions or endorsements (negative or positive) about individuals/businesses/orgs. in context to a specific event or experience they've had first hand. inflammatory/uncivil remarks or trolling are excluded at the mods discretion.

in other words:
the Divespasm 3000 Widget I purchased was a total piece of junk =ok
anyone who uses Divespasm products is an inept stupidhead =not ok

Hey, the percentages only add up to 99%!! I call election fraud! I demand a recount!

Anyway, while I understand the reason behind the current rule #6, and I agree that it helps keep the noise down, I think that applied literally it stifles the forum. I think that changing the rule is probably going to be a postive step.

I agree that being a little more liberal would be nice. However, I do think the moderators tried by creating the forum where we can post non cave diving things. SO, it's not like they haven't been thinking about it. What I would like to see is a seperate trial forum where people can express things more freely. My personal take is that people have to use their own names on it. If I know who desearves a good punch in the nose at least I can defend myself off the forum. Again guys and gals, you have no idea how badly hurt I have been on another forum, both by posts and personal emails. One email was so insane that if I posted the entire thing it would have hurt that persons reputation, and yes, they were a moderator on that forum.

So, while I think it's a good plan to try it I also know that rule 6 protects us from people we don't know and even moderators from abusing us. It's one thing I like about the posts here. Be aware that another cave diver is the target of your post, be aware another human being is the target of your post, be aware that we all disagree on things at times, we don't have to hate, be aware that someday you may need that person to help you or your cause. I actually think this is going to get more people kicked off the forum than less. Oh, and limit the length of all posts except mine! LOL

Cindy Butler

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Originally Posted by Cindy

What I would like to see is a seperate trial forum where people can express things more freely.

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The moderators discussed that, and I think it might be a good way to see if the "new" rule #6 will work.

FWIW, we haven't actually changed the rule yet, so be careful :-D

EDIT: It is changed *now* :!:

Why does it say "Mourning" in the title of the thread or it is just my Firefox sees it that way?

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Originally Posted by ARY

Why does it say "Mourning" in the title of the thread or it is just my Firefox sees it that way?

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Because we are all saddened by the passing of :blackbar

It was a good rule, a kind rule, a rule that evoked emotion in the hearts of everyone that was busted by it, for good or evil. We look foreward to a kinder, gentler time where :blackbar will not be required, where all cavedivers can live in peace, and prosper as a group. Where it will be OK to wonder if :blackbar is really a a walking ball of tweed. Where we can say that :blackbar is a really hot cave diver, and everyone can agree on it.

Goodbye Rule #6. Hello slightly revised Rule # 6.

ps - I suggest that we retire the #6, place its blackbar on the wall of fame, and come up with another number. How about #6a?

I propose a friendly amendent to your motion to retire rule #6 and call the new rule #6a.

let's call the new rule #6r, where the r is for revised. this way we will all remember the times before revision (br?) as we enjoy the times after revision (ar?). you may of course reject the friendly amendent, with no reproach!

-skip

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Rule 6 (the original version) is buried... hopefully we won't have to dig it up...
List of Rules

Now if someone can post the translations in various languages, notably French, Spanish and German, we'll update that also... Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to get a UK translation from Duncan...

With the elimination of Rule 6: is there any possibility the soon to be promoting of instructors, friends and businesses and the subsequent direct or indirect bashing of "same", could be directed to a different page? Perhaps this would lessen the workload for the moderators and free everyone else to express themselves.

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Originally Posted by Puttzer

With the elimination of Rule 6: is there any possibility the soon to be promoting of instructors, friends and businesses and the subsequent direct or indirect bashing of "same", could be directed to a different page? Perhaps this would lessen the workload for the moderators and free everyone else to express themselves.

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I was also thinking about this and I like the idea. I can't say this will happen yet; it depends upon a decision by the moderators. If it does happen, what should we call the "Promotion Forum"?

Eliminating Rule 6 may be an opportunity to expand the forum and not at the detriment of the main current forums.

For instance:
a new page for equipment gripes / compliments

a new page for good businesses or gripes

and another new page for complimenting others ......or complaining.

The main page could continue for diving tips, advices, events, .....

This may reduce the moderators workload, allow more varied posts, and even sequester the flaming to specific areas.

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Originally Posted by FW

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Originally Posted by Cindy

What I would like to see is a seperate trial forum where people can express things more freely.

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The moderators discussed that, and I think it might be a good way to see if the "new" rule #6 will work.

FWIW, we haven't actually changed the rule yet, so be careful :-D

EDIT: It is changed *now* :!:

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What?? My post would not have even broken the old rules! No cheating just because you know the rest of the story! LOL Cindy :)

I have to say that CDF is a great place to exchange idea and I am very happy with my experience here. I would also like to say TJ is a great guy and runs a great board. :-D

To the Mods: Kudos for testing the pulse of your audience and being amenable to change. Just to reiterate a couple of the posts here – you all provide a great service with little or no thanks (but sometimes lots of brouhaha).

:-)

It is so very cool to see positive change. Sure, there will be little exchanges that push the limits here and there. (…and I am sure that Cindy will not be involved in any of the future controversy sure to happen...) – sorry, couldn’t resist. HA!

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And one of these days I hope I get to meet OFG in person – your posts always put a smile on my face!

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Originally Posted by Starryskies

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Pat, you're going to be disappointed. I was expecting an out-of-control lunatic, but he's just a regular guy. :wink:

I say we have a un-scheduled 'Anti-Social' somewhere in the 'backwoods' of cave country explicity for all of those against rule # 6 entirely- :flame Well, I like the change, but a 'free-for-all' would be great, eh- :?:

je

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Originally Posted by tj

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Rule #6: NO flaming

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or trolling.

What is trolling in the online vernacular? I think of trolling in the 1970's interpretation (before internet) of which I know of two or three possible meanings.

Good riddance!
Just don't talk abut me!
Unless it's good of course. :-D

Mike M

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Originally Posted by Angie Reim

What is trolling in the online vernacular? I think of trolling in the 1970's interpretation (before internet) of which I know of two or three possible meanings.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll