Insulation Rooms and a Douche Alert

Whoever you are that decided to run your line from up high in the ear on 9/16/2012 straight through the middle of the ear, in the middle of the passage, then about 6' off the bottom so it could flap in the flow I have a few observations.

• I hate you and was cursing your fail for the first 10 min of the dive
• In all my dives into the ear I've never seen such a crappy job
• If you put your line ANYWHERE other than where you ran it that would be an improvement
• You need to spend more time learning/practicing line running skills
• Next time close your eyes and toss the reel in any direction and tie off there, it will be better than your initial choice

I hope that this was some sort of spoof on not what to do, or a new student being allowed to screw up for learning purposes. I thought about cutting the line into pieces and leaving a note filled with obscenities but decided against it.

Once on the trigger the peaceful rhythm of the dive took hold and cast out the angry.

The insulation rooms were a great dive, scootered to 2k and jumped into the left passage. Followed it around, up through a dark river layer, back down to the whale bone. This is our first time checking it out and I thought it'd be much larger and grander than it was.
Insulation rooms were really nice when we weren't in dark river water. Vis was 30-40' and about 2-3' in the dark water.

Ginnie was only about a .3 out of 10 on the lord of the flies scale. No drunks, beer cans, nudity, death metal or rap. Only the occasional horns and rafters. Almost quiet and peaceful...yea, it was weird.

We once came out of Ginnie and there were like 6 lines in the ear. Three of them were in the middle like they were thrown there. With the flow it was going to be a bear to pull our reel, so one team member went up and cut the knot loose and we rolled it up from the bottom and followed the other lines out. There should have been a ""caution-cluster ahead" sign in the bottom of the ear.

I've seen lines that wrapped around mine before being wrapped around both gold lines, not to mention the primary tie off at the steps going to a secondary tie off on the floor, right in the middle of the peacock cavern...

I was glad there was no need for anything but a safety stop, it has to be dangerous to laugh that much and I couldn't stop as long as I was looking at it!

Some people... I mean, we all have our bad days, but...some of us apparently have badder days.

Out of curiosity, it is so easy to go through the eye. Why is it avoided?

Or we could just...yanno...have the line start in OW...

Reel skills are not taught anymore.

Welcome to the new cave divers.

Gotta lower the bar enough so that everyone can pass.

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Originally Posted by Wizard

so one team member went up and cut the knot loose and we rolled it up

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Your team cut someone else's primary line!

why was it cut, did someone get entangled?

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Originally Posted by billyf

Your team cut someone else's primary line!

why was it cut, did someone get entangled?

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I think they cut their own line so they could just roll it up and not have to mess with unwrapping it from the other lines. At least that's how I read it.

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Originally Posted by PfcAJ

Or we could just...yanno...have the line start in OW...

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No, if we brought the line out to OW, it would let untrained divers know there's a cave there (those who didn't notice the two huge warning signs on site, missed the waiver they signed in the lodge, didn't watch the lodge video they were supposed to, and didn't see the big hole in the ground already, at least).

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Originally Posted by Capt. Tyler

Out of curiosity, it is so easy to go through the eye. Why is it avoided?

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I suspect it's because it is longer, requires a tiny bit more gas and is more of a PITA with a scooter.

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Originally Posted by billyf

Your team cut someone else's primary line!

why was it cut, did someone get entangled?

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He clearly communicated they cut their own line loose so they could reel it in from the bottom. Re-read before you panic and post.

"With the flow it was going to be a bear to pull our reel, so one team member went up and cut the knot loose and we rolled it up from the bottom and followed the other lines out."

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Originally Posted by Tegg

Reel skills are not taught anymore.

Welcome to the new cave divers.

Gotta lower the bar enough so that everyone can pass.

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Joe, I'm in complete agreement with this, so you may want to reconsider your position on the issue just for the sake of consistency. :?

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Originally Posted by mdax

Whoever you are that decided to run your line from up high in the ear on 9/16/2012 straight through the middle of the ear, in the middle of the passage, then about 6' off the bottom so it could flap in the flow I have a few observations.

• I hate you and was cursing your fail for the first 10 min of the dive
• In all my dives into the ear I've never seen such a crappy job
• If you put your line ANYWHERE other than where you ran it that would be an improvement
• You need to spend more time learning/practicing line running skills
• Next time close your eyes and toss the reel in any direction and tie off there, it will be better than your initial choice

I hope that this was some sort of spoof on not what to do, or a new student being allowed to screw up for learning purposes. I thought about cutting the line into pieces and leaving a note filled with obscenities but decided against it.
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Ginnie was only about a .3 out of 10 on the lord of the flies scale. No drunks, beer cans, nudity, death metal or rap. Only the occasional horns and rafters. Almost quiet and peaceful...yea, it was weird.

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See Mods, I am not the bitterest person on the forum, mdax is! lol

I saw Ginnie that way once also, it was in the middle of May when I was finishing my Cave CCR class. The only people there near the run were 2 dive teams. It was scary, I figured the drunks were hiding behind the trees waiting to rob us as soon as we got in the water. I saw a white cargo "rape" van and was scared for a second, but then I realized it was just the WKPP, lol.

Line placement is not always easy but keep it out of others way and following the rules is not all that hard.
It takes some practice but was emphasized very clearly in my Cave class.
In fact if it was not placed correctly it was pulled free and we re ran it correctly.
I have bad days or reels that foul but I WANT to keep my line out of the middle and very clean away from others if possible.

JCG

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Originally Posted by Capt. Tyler

Out of curiosity, it is so easy to go through the eye. Why is it avoided?

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When scootering, especially with stages, we use the ear to reduce wear on the cave. It's too tight in the eye for all that crap. I thought that was what most did in order to not bang up the cave as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by Tegg

Reel skills are not taught anymore.

Welcome to the new cave divers.

Gotta lower the bar enough so that everyone can pass.

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I'll notforget this...I was in Marianna at one of my favourite and a highly popular cave (in the name of staying with the current trend of keeping secrets, I will not name the cave :) ). As I was gearing up during my SI, a well (very) known instructor and I were chatting. He was finishing up a full cave course with a student and somehow it came up that my team had a reel in the cave. The instructor asked me if they could use our line instead of running their own. The instructor turned to the student and said, "well there ya go."

I was pretty good with a reel during my class but my instructor had me run it more times than I could count (and I can count with both fingers and toes on both hands and feet as well as my buddy's fingers and toes (if she's cute)).

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Originally Posted by Tegg

Reel skills are not taught anymore.

Welcome to the new cave divers.

Gotta lower the bar enough so that everyone can pass.

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Pfft, sit in on one of my classes. My students hate me by the end of class, but they're safe divers.

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Originally Posted by jcook

I saw a white cargo "rape" van and was scared for a second, but then I realized it was just the WKPP, lol.

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T.bix drives a "white cargo rape van". Are you sure it wasn't him? HAHA!

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Originally Posted by whodunit68

I was pretty good with a reel during my class but my instructor had me run it more times than I could count (and I can count with both fingers and toes on both hands and feet as well as my buddy's fingers and toes (if she's cute)).

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Don't worry...I've always got an extra finger reserved just for you :)

Dave

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Originally Posted by loquat149

Don't worry...I've always got an extra finger reserved just for you :)

Dave

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Considering where your fingers spend most of their time, I think I'll add another D-ring :)

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Originally Posted by Slüdge

Don't cross the line, jcook...

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Oh I see, that's where you draw the line, a childish joke I made. It's okay for them to say that I am condoning and going sneak diving (which is a blatant lie), but I make a joke about their group and I get warned that I am almost crossing the line. Got it.

Should I have put what really happened? That those 2 people on Gavins about ran into one of the guys in my class. After we made sure to get out of their way as much as possible. Ya, the joke was too much.

Jordon, unfortunately somehow you got yourself a short leash. Not sure whom you p'd off but now all eyes are on. I wouldn't recommend running for mayor until after the NACD is dismantled.
Frankly, I was surprised you got a warning there too. Sure, many of your posts come across as the ornery beast that you are (joking)....

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Originally Posted by jcook

Oh I see, that's where you draw the line, a childish joke I made. It's okay for them to say that I am condoning and going sneak diving (which is a blatant lie), but I make a joke about their group and I get warned that I am almost crossing the line. Got it.

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Your "childish joke" was a direct violation of rule #6. It was uncalled for, and bound to cause the thread to become uncivil. Not to mention off topic. Keep it up, and the next ban could be permanent.

EDIT: OK, guys let's all follow the rules, and try to stay on topic..
FW

Back to the topic - I like to exit the eye. If you take special care to not scratch your scooter, you won't damage the cave. Plus, there are convenient places at 50', 30', and 20' to get out of everyone's way to do deco.

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Originally Posted by FW

Your "childish joke" was a direct violation of rule #6. It was uncalled for, and bound to cause the thread to become uncivil. Not to mention off topic. Keep it up, and the next ban could be permanent.

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Forrest, now I see why I got warned. Let me clarify, I WAS NOT making a gay joke.

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Originally Posted by jcook

Forrest, now I see why I got warned. Let me clarify, I WAS NOT making a gay joke.

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OK, I will accept that, but you still need to lay off remarks about Cavediving agencies, no matter how little you like them.

FWIW, I didn't take that as a gay joke either. If it was, maybe you should have been warned imho. But, I took it as a jab at GUE's buddy team philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Superlyte27

T.bix drives a "white cargo rape van". Are you sure it wasn't him? HAHA!

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I'll have to look at my log book to see if I was in the area. If I was I can tell you for sure that any clusterfluck of lines were'nt mine...... Pete is right that his students hate him after running and re-running lines along with the underwater handshake.... congrats you're dead!!! now go do it again.. drill!!!

Besides mine is not a "rape van" it's more of a cuddling and hugging van.... :P

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Originally Posted by jcook

Forrest, now I see why I got warned. Let me clarify, I WAS NOT making a gay joke.

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Sorry not trying to hijack the op's thread

Dont concern yourself with it Jordan. Too much bs to shovel with certain group(s). Just so happens happens a few folks have been "digging" up some new info/leads
. When I have the map in hand I'll text you the detail's

J. Spivey

Sup, you better bet I will hate you at the end of our class, but I will be a good safe diver and my wife will not get the life insurance money.....

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Originally Posted by Superlyte27

Pfft, sit in on one of my classes. My students hate me by the end of class, but they're safe divers.

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wait I hate you already you have all my money....:)

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Originally Posted by Tegg

Reel skills are not taught anymore.

Welcome to the new cave divers.

Gotta lower the bar enough so that everyone can pass.

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My instructor was pretty good. Thanks, Billy!

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Originally Posted by PfcAJ

Or we could just...yanno...have the line start in OW...

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Yup , sure could.

No spiderwebs on problems.

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Originally Posted by ScubaSteveL

My instructor was pretty good. Thanks, Billy!

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My instructor was pretty good too.... Thanks Billy.

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Originally Posted by mainedvr

Sup, you better bet I will hate you at the end of our class, but I will be a good safe diver and my wife will not get the life insurance money.....


wait I hate you already you have all my money....:)

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Pfft, I don't have all your money, just some of it. Marissa took a bunch of it too remember. :)

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Originally Posted by curtschu

I think they cut their own line so they could just roll it up and not have to mess with unwrapping it from the other lines. At least that's how I read it.

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That is correct. It was safer to pull our line than to unsnag it from the spider web that was added. Flow was screaming and the ear is not a place to get tied up.

We started to enter at the eye, but there was a team of four pulling deco in the entrance. Well three of them were laying in the entrance and with their stages laying around them it was better to go to the ear. It was do what the heck you want day I guess.

Hey wait a minute I didn't take anyones money the shop did! LOL

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Originally Posted by Wizard

We started to enter at the eye, but there was a team of four pulling deco in the entrance. Well three of them were laying in the entrance and with their stages laying around them it was better to go to the ear. It was do what the heck you want day I guess.

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That's probably because all 4 of them would not fit in the entrance, so one had to hang back out of the way to do his deco.

There seems to be a tendency for divers to do deco in the eye at the cave entrance rather than moving back to the far side of the eye. I suspect it starts as team members exit then immediately turn around to watch other team members exit - then they all just stay there, obstructing traffic.

When my 4 diver group (2 teams of 2) pulled deco in the eye, we did it on a very nice shelf just INSIDE the eye. It was not very obvious if you weren't looking, but just 10' or so inside the overhang there is a ledge where the eye first goes vertical down. Enough room for 4 divers with room to spare. To an entering or exiting diver, we would just be flies on the ceiling. Well out of the way on the roof. And no current or neutral buoyancy required. Just dump bladder, and lay on shelf.

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Originally Posted by gschaut

When my 4 diver group (2 teams of 2) pulled deco in the eye, we did it on a very nice shelf just INSIDE the eye. It was not very obvious if you weren't looking, but just 10' or so inside the overhang there is a ledge where the eye first goes vertical down. Enough room for 4 divers with room to spare. To an entering or exiting diver, we would just be flies on the ceiling. Well out of the way on the roof. And no current or neutral buoyancy required. Just dump bladder, and lay on shelf.

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Yea that's where I usually hang, but lately it's been too deep for 100% O2 with the high water levels.

Dave

The water level is down now. No more than 21' at the normal deco crevices inside the Eye.

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Originally Posted by loquat149

Yea that's where I usually hang, but lately it's been too deep for 100% O2 with the high water levels.

Dave

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Another reason I like to deco on 80%.

Sup and Marissa we have given our money gladly to you .....just do not offer me any Kool Aid when we are down there that is my line in the sand. Everyone has told me don't start its addicting I haven't even hit darkness and I am hooked hahaha. Just wish my wife would stop bugging me about are we there yet!!!

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Originally Posted by Superlyte27

Pfft, I don't have all your money, just some of it. Marissa took a bunch of it too remember. :)

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"If you put your line ANYWHERE other than where you ran it that would be an improvement"

LOL

You mean no lines in the sand, guess that would not go over well, I think my instructor will teach me better and if not I already know better, its just the doing part I have to get down.

lol

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Originally Posted by phillip1

"If you put your line ANYWHERE other than where you ran it that would be an improvement"

LOL

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Originally Posted by whodunit68

..... the NACD is dismantled...

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Don't hold your breath cavemann...this won't happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by floridakid

EDIT: OK, guys let's all follow the rules, and try to stay on topic..
FW

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Well...the thread title does have "douche alert" in it....how far "off" topic was he? LoL!!!