What can be done to extend the stairs at Orange Grove?
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TF
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What can be done to extend the stairs at Orange Grove?
Thanks
TF
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Originally Posted by tflaris
I am willing to make a donation towards this effort. Would this be best done through the NFSA?
Likewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunabku
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Originally Posted by Art Greenberg
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunabku
Peacock was my backyard for almost 5 years...count me in.
If someone can provide an idea how to do it...the NFSA will propose it to the Park Manager & then we can solicit a few $ for materials. We will need someone with experience in construction to draw up a plan for submission to the park manager, I expect.
Jim
NFSA Treasurer
Can I propose a ski lift? That seems much more reasonable of an idea.
: ) Good call Tony!!
i'm in for some cash-ola! i wonder if we could do sorta like p1, a smaller set of steps off to the side. toward the right as you're coming down, onto that rock.
Hey someone should start taking up a collection this weekend... You know... In case for some reason there were to be a large sporadic gathering of cave divers in Luraville or whatev. ; )
As for the rest of us... Just tell me where to mail my check!
I'll contribute - the last time I dove OG we elected to do the Grand Traverse so that we could get out at P1 instead of scramble back out at OG.
Man, sure wish I knew someone with a heavy construction background to help out. :|
You have a plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
I'd have to look at it and see what's there to work with. It's absolutely doable, but I can't sketch it from memory. I'll get over there next week.
If it's of any help, I have an architect in town with me this weekend.
Last time I was there in April, I did a wonderful interpretation of a Beachmaster Walrus humping my way up that rock.:rollguy How embarrassing....:oops:
I think they should just install 2 nice sized pulleys. If one can't figure out how to dive the site with them, then they can go to Ginnie. :)
sounds like if folks can leverage the construction guy and the architect friend to draw up some plans to take to mgmt then the rest of us could easily raise the funds for materials.
I've got an architect friend who has drawn up some interesting designs involving Florida nature and inspired by sinkholes, he says he'd be interested in helping.
Whatever you design, be sure to allow for ANOTHER 4' of drop in the water table. Or we'll be taking up another collection next year. (I'm in for $$$ too)
How about we just get people in the area to conserve water so the water level goes back up?
Rob: You begin that campaign. I'll try to continue working on the steps.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN
So...we are looking for water conservation plans and a drawing for some steps.
Because conserving water does not make $$$ of profit for Dole, U.S. Sugar, Coke, Agway, Conagra....Quote:
Originally Posted by RN
I will dedicate time, money and drawings if needed.
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With a tropical storm coming in Monday perhaps mother nature will raise the water level.
A tropical storm will not fix a 20 year drought in Florida. Nor will it fix that fact that more water is being drawn out than is being replenished.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogDiver
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It sure won't hurt.....
The NFSA board convened today and will discuss this with park management as soon as the holiday is over with.
Dove all over this week and OG was the toughest exit by far. I barely managed to drag my big butt out. how about a lift. Then it wont matter what the level is ;-)
I can do the work after the storm has passed. Ill need a generator and the lumber of course.
My statement was partly in jest. Annette Long does quite a good job of campaigning for water conservation already. I don't think I can even begin to fill her shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt
If no one else does it, i'll be there this week to draw some plans. Let me know if you do it. I'm 2.5 hours from Peacock and don't really need to drive for nothing :)
Just have them done before I come down in a few weeks! ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Don't put any money on that bet....Quote:
Originally Posted by pink arrows
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I can have them done in 4 hours or less, but the mere fact that pink arrows wants them done encourages me to drag my feet :)
But don't you need "approved" drawings before starting work? Just kidding, judging from your screen name I'd guess you could complete a project like this without. Unless there is a requirement for drawings seems this would be pretty straight forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by stairman
Figuring out how to anchor the steps at the bottom might be tricky. Depending on what the park will except.
Al
Architect friend left town early due to the incoming storm. Sorry, he was up for helping but breaking down camp in the rain with two small kids isn't much fun.
Not to toot my own horn, but 5 years ago I built 87 homes. Since 1992 I've built over 1000 houses, hotels and condominiums. If I can't draw, engineer and build some steps, someone needs to take my man card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba Al
Wow "I've built" with that much work you would of thought they would of given you some help. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Al
It's a good thing we're friends Pete, otherwise I might have taken offense to that : DQuote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Don't worry. Take your time... I'm not too old for a little climbing... Even in my doubles.
Well, it was my company, so I didn't feel I needed to share credit with a bunch of laborers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuba Al
No disrespect intended. I myself spent over forty years in commercial construction, retired a couple of years ago. But I was one of the "bunch of laborers" (Cement Mason actually) that got handed the plans and told to build it as the boss/owner headed back to the office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
My initial post was to just make the point, that adding a few steps at OG really only required a competent carpenter. Not a "Set of drawings".
But again, sorry if it looked like I was stepping on toe's.
Good Diving, Alan Fossum
Ive been a carpenter all my life as well. I only migrated to stairs[mainly interior] cause thats where the money is and I dont need a crew to do em. An arcitect isnt needed here to do an add on. Let me know if I can help.
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Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Not saying this applies to your company, but growing up in the construction industry there are many people who have "built" complete subdivisions as the head of a company without enough skills to push a wheelbarrow. The "laborers" are really the backbone of most construction companies.
Like I said I know nothing of your business, what you do, or what role you play (ie hands on contractor vs pencil pushing construction manager) and don't really need to know. As you know I've met you once before buying some tanks and you seemed like a friendly enough guy, but to be quite frank it sounds pretty crappy to say there's no need to thank the laborers.
I grew up with a father that has many construction patents and has a list of accomplishments that would surprise most people. Hell it did me when I was old enough to understand, since he never spoke a word of it to anyone. He started as a laborer and was a hands on laborer in his companies till he retired, and I can say that he still would humbly put 100% of the responsibility for his accomplishments on the people that worked for him, not on himself.
I apologize for the rant, that just struck a chord with me, eventhough I don't believe you meant it the way it came off.
My dad owned a fender-and-body shop for most of my childhood, but he didn't do any of the actual car repair himself. Except painting.
He always gave the old, "if you want something done right, do it yourself." But the fact was, he just LOVED to paint cars.
Well, to clarify, i'm sure I came off exactly as I intended to. To be more clear, I started framing houses 2 weeks out of high school. 6 months later I realized any monkey could do the job, and I borrowed my bosses tools on a memorial day weekend and framed a house with my buddy in 3 days. We worked well into the night and when it was done, I made almost 4k. With that money I bought all my tools, worker's comp, liability insurance, and put a down payment on a van. That year my net was 117k.Quote:
Originally Posted by rddvet
Before it was all over with, I quit framing and started building, then when the economy collapsed started doing very high end remodeling. This weekend I installed Brazilian Walnut flooring. Materials alone are $18/sq'
At any rate, when a single one of those 100+ employees cared about my company as much as I did, I showed them how to start their own company. And if they didn't give me credit for their success in the company they own, I wouldn't lose sleep about that either. By the way, out of 100's of employees, only 2 cared about my company as much as I did. And they were both mexican.
As far as the drawings go...
No, it's not necessary to draw the steps prior to building the steps EXCEPT that it's what the management of the park requires. So, it is necessary.
Don't fight boys.
Pete, would you mind buiilding a bridge so you guys can get over it?
(I'm totally kidding but I just had to say it. lol sorry...)
Pink, we're not women. We can have heated debates without either of our feelings getting hurt, and can even buy each other a drink or lunch afterward.
I'm sure someone will take offense to that... fortunately it won't be me. I just wanted to tell you to build a bridge. Which I have accomplished. Have a wonderful night. : )Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Thanks for the offer. I don't want to waste your valuable time but there is a process when dealing with the state,and the first thing I will do after the holiday is talk to management about the possibility. Some things require engineering,and others don't,also there can be a lengthy approval process because building materials have to approved since it will be near water. Let me get the process going,and then find out what we can contribute to facilitate the process. The management and district that support the park do an excellent job,but realize that budgets have been thinned so there is less staffing,and hoops in Tallahassee,but we will see this through,we just ask people to be patient. As a side note,the NFSA will be having a work day June 9th to install the plant identification panels on the trail,and we will have someone from park management on site to assist. This would be a good time to engage this with on site visitation for this project,so we welcome any help with the work day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
We hope to see you there....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
My measuring arm will be there, but will Ranger Craig let me drive the cart again?
I apologize for not masking my grumpy nature better. Ive been working about 100 hours per week most of this year and im not handling it well. ;)
I'd be happy to help wherever and whenever.
A hundred WHAT per week? Man you must be tired. By the time everythings approved steps may not be needed. Ill be sure to help if I can but Id rather see more water in the sinks as everybody else would Im sure.
Not grumpy,just want to see something done. We greatly appreciate support and help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
I got feedback from the park manager and he is going to look at it. The NFSA will have a work day on June 9th to install plant ID panels on the trail. If you would like to come out and help we would appreciate your help,plus give some feedback on the OG situation. Please PM if you are available.