Sidemount- Specialty or the new normal?

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Originally Posted by cavern newbee

I weight just over 120lbs. What talked me out of doubles other than the weight is the idea of the manifolld behind my head any a leak forming and I wouldn't know about.

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That concerns me too. Actually that's the #2 thing I'm scared of, right after an asteroid hitting earth and collapsing the cave while I'm in it.

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Originally Posted by cavern newbee

Backmount was origionally made for open water and was adopted for cave diving. Sidemount was made only for cave diving. They both can be used in a cave with different skill sets and they both have limitations. For me sidemount is for my cave diving and backmount is for open water.

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I don't think you understood what I was saying. Both have their pro's and con's and both have their place making both superior. I personally prefer side mount for most of my diving, which is 2-3 hours up to two stages and scooter in depths <100'.

Ok, I understand what you were saying.

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Originally Posted by Slüdge

I've heard of manifolds leaking pretty much never.

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What about first stages? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by cavern newbee

What about first stages? Just curious.

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A quality first stage, serviced regularly by a trained technician? Never.

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Originally Posted by Diverlee

I have to agree. I used to dive independent doubles. Wasn't able to reach the isolator valve anyway. Now I dive SM mostly because I fell in doubles a few times. I think every one has a reason for what ever way they dive. As long as its safe and your having fun ....,,, Just my opinion.

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Ya , both are good (SMILE)

Hey , at least we have a CHOICE... (eek)

Jeano

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Side mount is in fact superior for cave diving. However, back mount is in fact superior for cave diving as well.

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I couldn't have said it better myself. This is something people on BOTH sides of the fence need to realize. I like SM. I dive SM. I don't care whether you prefer BM or SM. If you dive one way, and can do so safely, then good. If you can't do it safely, you need more training. That's true for BM and SM.

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Originally Posted by Slüdge

I've heard of manifolds leaking pretty much never.

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Originally Posted by Slüdge

A quality first stage, serviced regularly by a trained technician? Never.

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So, behind your head is the manifold and your regs. If neither of them ever fail, then what's the point of learning valve drills. Actually, what's the point of having an isolator manifold? What's the point of having more than one first stage? If the TWO things you need to learn to guard against NEVER happen, then you can safely tell people that they're wasting their time and money seeking out training and practicing those useless emergency drills......right?

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Originally Posted by victorzamora

So, behind your head is the manifold and your regs. If neither of them ever fail, then what's the point of learning valve drills. Actually, what's the point of having an isolator manifold? What's the point of having more than one first stage? If the TWO things you need to learn to guard against NEVER happen, then you can safely tell people that they're wasting their time and money seeking out training and practicing those useless emergency drills......right?

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2nd stages free flow, and you control those with the valves behind your head, the manifold allows you to breathe all remaining gas from the working reg rather than screwing around feathering a valve. Inflators can freeze on (in colder water, at least). People forget to turn their valves on before getting in the water from time to time. Occasionally you rub ceiling and need to make sure the valves didn't roll off.

As far as the isolator manifold, I've heard a few stories where a burst disc let's go or gets knocked loose during a dive, but that's few and far between. I have NEVER heard of an isolator or 1st stage leaking enough that it required valve manipulation.

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Originally Posted by jj1987

As far as the isolator manifold, I've heard a few stories where a burst disc let's go or gets knocked loose during a dive, but that's few and far between. I have NEVER heard of an isolator or 1st stage leaking enough that it required valve manipulation.

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We historically create problems or embellish where there is no historical evidence. I remember how quick releases were going to kill us. The stories that are real,do tend to snowball,and you would think Godzilla is walking the streets of New York and derailing subway trains.