Ginnie Enforces CCR Cave

[caving4funtime]

Imagine that. a former cave instructor enforcing rules!

[karst.window]

I truly think this is a misunderstanding. Never had a problem after showing a full cave and ccr cert. Would love to hear how this pans out as I am planning to be up there at the end of the week.

[cavemark]

What will Ginnie's stance be on a homebuilt CCR unit?

Can't take a course from anyone when you design your own....

Write a user manual and a training guide and self-certify. Charge yourself $1500, make a Photo ID card with a picture of the unit on the back and have some golf shirts made up with a logo over the pocket. While your signing in ask the kid behind the counter the last time they had the spring tested for DHMO (Dihydrogen Monoxide) and what the level is.

I forgot to include the link about DHMO
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

[BillBowden]

When I renewed my annual pass I was told all I have to do is show full cave and a ccr certification. When I qualified on CCR there was no CCR cave cert. Some of my training for trimix CCR was done with Tom Mount, at Ginnie. So now I have to go buy another card? BS

[inkdiver]

While your signing in ask the kid behind the counter the last time they had the spring tested for DHMO (Dihydrogen Monoxide) and what the level is.

Priceless!

Has anyone actually talked to Rose about this. Appears to be angst over something without any official response from Rose. I have found her to be very helpful. There was a question posted once about annual passes and lots of speculation, so I just picked up the phone and she was very helpful.

[bletso]

What will Ginnie's stance be on a homebuilt CCR unit?

Can't take a course from anyone when you design your own....

That can be a big problem for me. I designed mine back in the dark ages and the majority of dives in all venues have been MCCR since about 2001.

Does one actually think I would pay money to take a MCCR course on a non existant make and model?

I probably have more dives/hours on my unit than most instructors have on theirs!!


Dale

[JahJahwarrior]

When I renewed my annual pass I was told all I have to do is show full cave and a ccr certification. When I qualified on CCR there was no CCR cave cert. Some of my training for trimix CCR was done with Tom Mount, at Ginnie. So now I have to go buy another card? BS

I believe we have already had it pointed out that your first sentence is correct and your last sentence is not

Please do call Rose and ask her to make an official ruling on this matter. Please stop lambasting the Ginnie employees, because a few of us really do care and really do work hard for divers. We aren't all bad, though I do know atleast three who would seriously not know what dihydrogen monoxide is........

But we employees would appreciate it if cave divers would ask politely for clarification on this issue.

Please also realise that just because Rose makes an official ruling doesn't mean that our grounds crew at Devil's will follow it. They have a history of not always listening to what management tells them, and of enforcing the rules as they see fit. If this happens, call the shop and ask to speak to Rose.... Rose cares, she's just busy. An official ruling would be nice, so please do call and ask, but do it politely and don't be jerks to her, ok?

[amphipod06]

Celia, I must say that I don't feel that the front desk employees deserve so much grief. Management has been divided on this issue, and park staff has been enforcing whatever they feel like no matter what managers tell them, some days. (by that, I mean the staff up by Devil's.) And those of us at hte front desk don't get any say in how much Ginnie prefers to take money from the campers and tubers than from the divers. Ginnie management is the one who deserves to be criticised for policy matters like this. If it was merely an employee making a mistake, that is one thing, but when I have asked management in the past about this issue, I have been given answers different than some coworkers who asked. They are finally resolving this issue. But the problem has not been due to the guys at the front counter. It's a problem of miscommunication in management primarily.

Ginnie won't ever post the rule anywhere....but if you look around you'll see they've posted up more, stricter rules for us "kiddie employees" to follow......

I wrote a longer version explaining how messed up this has been, from an employees standpoint, in the TDS thread. No one is more annoyed at Ginnie management for rules and policy enforcement than myself and Marchand, and one of the managers, Jen.

Not giving the kiddies grief, in fact we have been very polite. You must admit that it is frustrating for both, employees and RB diving customers.

BTW, it's probably not a good idea to be talking in a negative light about your employer in a public forum (I am sure you have heard that before) even if they are wrong...

Dive safe and don't take it personally. We are just trying to clarify the whole thing, seems to change with the moon phases or something.

Celia

[amphipod06]

Celia,
I have been talking with one of the long time employees there and he told me that it was Rose's intention to enforce this rule. It may not be a misunderstanding at this point. I intend to call Rose this morning and talk to her personally.

Keep us posted, if that is so then she must have changed her mind (or someone with an agenda did...)

Dive safe,

Celia

PS Guess it may be time to spend my money elsewhere (and no crowds...)

[contender]

Keep us posted, if that is so then she must have changed her mind (or someone with an agenda did...)

Dive safe,

Celia

PS Guess it may be time to spend my money elsewhere (and no crowds...)

Will do, Rose had the day off so I will talk to her in the A.M. hopefully.