Too many primaries at Devil's eye.

[marsonk]

Tying it on the ceiling/wall forces people to have to touch the ceiling/wall.

It is possible to tie off to the current location without touching anything. When the line was on the floor people were laying on the bottom to secure there reel to the main line.

[chrisp]

I was diving the eye on Saturday as part of my Basic course. There were quite a few lines Saturday as well but nothing as bad as what has been described above.

[runawaylobster]

I agree, I was finishing up full cave class this weekend with Bert Wilcher and we were the first ones in the Eye. Bert ran the reel in making sure it was well placed. On our exit there was at least 2 more ran and someone zig-zagged them all over the place. After the second dive, there was at least two more ran and on the way out one of them caught my leg. There were some basic/intro students there as well running lines.

First of all ,

Raph I did see you I was just too busy to wave (no laughing OK, my new gear is a different size than i'm used to !!)

Second, I was in front of Bert's class, and had absolutely ZERO options to place the line, I have no idea how he could have found somewhere else to put his. I never saw it since we didn't come back out for 3 hrs and they were all gone by then.

Yes there were far too many lines in there, i've seen it that bad many times before, I really don't know what the solution is. I'm not for putting another permanent line. Perhaps some other starting tie off points would help, then at least people could start from a different place.

LL

[contender]

First of all ,

Raph I did see you I was just too busy to wave (no laughing OK, my new gear is a different size than i'm used to !!)

Second, I was in front of Bert's class, and had absolutely ZERO options to place the line, I have no idea how he could have found somewhere else to put his. I never saw it since we didn't come back out for 3 hrs and they were all gone by then.

Yes there were far too many lines in there, i've seen it that bad many times before, I really don't know what the solution is. I'm not for putting another permanent line. Perhaps some other starting tie off points would help, then at least people could start from a different place.

LL

LL,
What time did you go in, we went in at about 9:15 or 9:30 and I don't recall seeing any lines other than ours. By the way, it was nice meeting you guys at Peacock.

[marinediver]

I was diving the eye on Saturday as part of my Basic course. There were quite a few lines Saturday as well but nothing as bad as what has been described above.

It was bad... There were a few places that looked like a bowl of Spaghetti exploded all over the place. Lines were loose and runn eraticly all over the place. Running a line isnt brain surgery. An example of how bad it can be sometimes... Two lines placed from the ear: Line number one goes from the secodary tie off (it was in open water as well as the primary) and straight to the main line up on the wall with a few wrapps on a knub under the line. Line number two was in with no secondary tie off ran stright for the other line, wrapped around line number one what looked like four times to make a placement then went up to the main line.
I actually saw this one day not long ago

[tomhauburn]

First of all ,

Raph I did see you I was just too busy to wave (no laughing OK, my new gear is a different size than i'm used to !!)

Second, I was in front of Bert's class, and had absolutely ZERO options to place the line, I have no idea how he could have found somewhere else to put his. I never saw it since we didn't come back out for 3 hrs and they were all gone by then.

Yes there were far too many lines in there, i've seen it that bad many times before, I really don't know what the solution is. I'm not for putting another permanent line. Perhaps some other starting tie off points would help, then at least people could start from a different place.

LL

LL
I did not see you as you left the park but the grin on Tim's face ( As he was leaving) said it all. If you were half as happy as him you were in heaven. Glad things are working out well for ya'll !
Tom

[LiteHedded]

the ear was a mess saturday in the cavern zone
like a bowl of spaghetti exploded. one line was loose and blowing in the flow running from the ceiling to the floor it seemed like.

[saturation]

While I find so many lines distracting, I developed and practice 'line avoidance' skills. Its very helpful in penetrating 'real' wrecks in open water diving. I'm happy that there is that much interest in cave diving. I do get a laugh looking at how some of those primaries are laid out. I remember when!

[FW]

I have a suggestion. If you go in the Eye, and there are already several lines, don't add another one. You have several options:

1. Go back out, and enter through the Ear (river entrance)

2. Go ahead in through the Eye, and don't leave a reel. if you come back, and all the reels are gone, exit out they Ear.

3. Pick one reel, and leave a slate on it, offering to remove it for the owner, it they get back first. Tell them to confirm that they did indeed exit. If you get back, and the reel is gone, follow #2 above.

[Wizard]

I remember once upon a time if you felt that there too were many reels in a entrance and you thought it was iffy to run another one you waited for a team or two to exit.