Ginnie Cave DPV

[Jim Wyatt]

A big issue I have seen over and over again is the cave divers ability to negotiate high flow, and to a lesser extent dealing with the decompression requirements in caves that are 90-100 feet deep.


I suppose those of us Florida cave instructors would be inferior while teaching someone to dive in no flow at 30 feet deep.

Allowing divers to use gloves in north Florida caves should not be a big deal. I always told divers that they may need to remove their gloves while following a #24 line in zero/limited visibility.

[Kelly Jessop]

One thing I frequently will see on the forums is that someone will ask about a light to purchase or dry suit recommendations. People will respond with buy the one they own because it is the best,but ultimately they don't have a good basis of comparison, because they maybe have only used/owned one or two. Hence, I can't provide a qualification of one instructor better than another, or instructors from one country better than another because my data set is too small. There maybe someone out there that has gotten instruction from a large number of instructors, from different regions, and can provide the definitive comparison/contrast. My basic judgement is how instructors are made. To me the instructor that has had a lot of experience with a large pool of instructors involved in their training because it is required by the agency, would be a good basis, versus minimal exposure-maybe I am wrong here.

[nakatomi]

A big issue I have seen over and over again is the cave divers ability to negotiate high flow, and to a lesser extent dealing with the decompression requirements in caves that are 90-100 feet deep.


I suppose those of us Florida cave instructors would be inferior while teaching someone to dive in no flow at 30 feet deep.

Allowing divers to use gloves in north Florida caves should not be a big deal. I always told divers that they may need to remove their gloves while following a #24 line in zero/limited visibility.

Flow masks crappy trim and buoyancy issues so it's fantastic for those who are unskilled.

Learning where to pull and how to shield from the flow (or how to use it on the way out) is something people figure out during their first couple of dives. It's nothing that requires special skills or training.

As to the depth and penetration, obviously proper gas management becomes even more important in shallow caves with longer penetration.
Also I see nothing special about Florida deco. Compared to cold water deco it is not even in the same league.

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[Jim Wyatt]

Flow masks crappy trim and buoyancy

Yes, perhaps. However in North Florida we are also able and do train cave divers in no flow such as Peacock where those issues are dealt with. There are also places in high flow caves where there is no flow so a cave diver student has to deal with both high & no flow during the same dive.

[Draker]

Also I see nothing special about Florida deco. Compared to cold water deco it is not even in the same league.

Come deco with me, big boy. I?ll show you something special.


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[bent]

Let's just meet in the middle and say the Euro instructors who just come over to the US for a short 'business trip' and teach in caves they hardly know are the crappiest. How are they getting their work visas for stuff like that anyways?

[rddvet]

Let's just meet in the middle and say the Euro instructors who just come over to the US for a short 'business trip' and teach in caves they hardly know are the crappiest. How are they getting their work visas for stuff like that anyways?

That's no problem. Local florida cave instructors just get pissed and call the government on them and get them banned from teaching in the US since they're stealing all of their clients

[bamafan]

That's no problem. Local florida cave instructors just get pissed and call the government on them and get them banned from teaching in the US since they're stealing all of their clients

I think they just do that to the Canadians

[nakatomi]

Come deco with me, big boy. I?ll show you something special.


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You do depth and long penetrations so the difficulty multiplies exponentially.
That's another league of it's own.
Jim Wyatt was talking about typical Florida caves like Ginnie.
And a dive in Ginnie with 85s and a stage is much less involved than using the same gas in a 15' deep cave in Mexico where thirds can take you 3 hours into the cave instead of maybe an hour and fifteen minutes or so at Ginnie. Especially since you actually will need to swim back 3 hours in Mexico with no flow helping. Never mind the 200 killer T's in Mexico vs. no gold line T's at Ginnie.

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[OFG-1]

I think they just do that to the Canadians

Hey, Canada sent us Alex Trebeck and and Justin Bieber. Someone has to get even for that.