A controversial concept, but maybe a good one.

[cerich]

When I as a school district administrator, I was assigned the task of becoming an expert on teacher evaluation so I could participate in a leadership role in redesigning our teacher evaluation system. I attended a national conference on teacher evaluation, and a presenter talked about this exact thing during a presentation on the different ways of determining which teachers were competent and which teachers weren't. A common attitude you hear in school districts is that everyone in a school knows who the good teachers are and who the bad teachers are, so why can't we find a simple way to measure and report it?

According to the presenter, studies have conclusively shown that the "everyone knows it" method is by far the LEAST accurate. Some of the teachers with the best reputations are among the worst, and vice versa. People develop reputations in a lot of ways, but if you actually go into the classroom and see them at work, if you look carefully at the results in student achievement, you may find out that those reputations do not hold up.

Teachers are like any other bureaucracy now, there is more spin on student outcome that has very little to do with student outcome and everything to do with metrics that can be presented.
Yet we have universities across the USA teaching basic skills to folks with high school diplomas from schools that have lots of metrics to justify teacher and staff raises.

[Boondock]

Everyone knows the true measure of a cave diving instructor is how many DPV Jousting tournaments they have won


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[Avs123]

Muffler bearings are the future

[tflaris]

If this thread runs to 11 pages I?m deleting my account.


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[MichaelAngelo]

If this thread runs to 11 pages I?m deleting my account.


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Again?

[jblack]

BTW, if anyone starts selling cave clay pottery because they think that's a brilliant idea after reading my above comment, I'd like a new coffee mug.

8 oz or 12

[cavekrazi]

The banana didn't last very long but the jar of peanut butter lasted all day. Got that stuff all over my iPad and the keyboard at work.


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[tflaris]

Again?

Yes. Again.


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[aainslie]

Why is dying while cave diving viewed so negatively? I always knew that I stood a good chance of dying when I was pushing the envelope. My instructor massively reduced that probability by being a damn good instructor... and if I had died, it would have entirely been my fault.

And If I had died 500 dives in, he should have been proud for giving me the skills to survive that long.

So... if the initial post were to be taken seriously, some control would have to be introduced for how many dives that instructor’s students did subsequently,and how complex their dives were.

Good luck doing that without some serious actuarial training. Superlyte, perhaps your record is so “good” exactly because of your self selected nickname... you only train superlyte divers who barely venture past the lips in Ginnie.

[Superlyte27]

Yeah, that must be it.

Say what you want, but when an instructor has multiple students dead in 2 years time, either the instructor sucks at teaching or the instructor sucks at weeding out poor behavior/mentalities.