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View Poll Results: What Deco Algorithm Do You Use?

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  • Bubble Model

    3 3.03%
  • Varying Permeability Model

    10 10.10%
  • Gradient Factors – Even – Like 30/70 or 20/80

    49 49.49%
  • Gradient Factors – Favor Deep Stops – Like 20/70

    4 4.04%
  • Gradient Factors – Favor Shallow Stops – Like 40/80

    33 33.33%
  • Ratio Deco

    9 9.09%
  • Tables – Like Navy

    2 2.02%
  • Other - please explain

    4 4.04%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlillest View Post
    You can't seriously go after him for something he may or may not have broken five years after the fact?
    No, but I can warn him if he does it again, he won't slip by next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    No, but I can warn him if he does it again, he won't slip by next time.
    Sounds good, you've got until 2021 to warn him! :P


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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    Hmmm, and both posts in violation of rules. rossh, consider this a warning. Rule #2 No Soliciting, Rule #6 Comments about individuals, agencies, organizations, political parties and businesses will be removed if found to be inflammatory or cause the discussion to be uncivil.
    Thank you, except the second post is about a planning method, and a study test / result, in a thread to discuss deco. Your warning is a little off the mark I think.


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    Oh leave the poor guy alone. He already got beat up Rebreatherworld, CCR Explorers, Scuba Board, and The Deco Stop...

    I think Robert Osborne should use him as a case study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    My bubble model algorithms don't produce anything like the table produced in the NEDU study.

    That doesn't matter.. what matters is the conclusions drawn by Simon Mitchel and tissue analysis of actual Tec-Rec diving computer produced schedules (i.e. VPM-B +8 vs a correlating ZHL-16 GF schedule with less emphasis on deep stops)
    It is pretty obviousl were the differences in the "middle speed" tissues are and that the bubble model approach overall causes more decostress which quite likely might produce more DCS..


    Overall note that this is all much more relevant for Ocean Deep Bounce diving than it is for moderate depth long cave dives (and the resulting deco) and even less for deep caves with long bottom times..
    Long bottom times at great depth generate very similar deco profiles between bubble and tissue models anyways as overall saturation throughout all compartments gets fairly high..

    Not that I have experience in deep and long (only deep and short and somewhat shallower and long), but that is my take from playing around with the models and my conclusion drawn as why this little difference is happening


    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    I am confused on how they chose such a model.

    Don't be.. The reasoning is in the approach of the test to actually trying to generate differences and statistically relevant numbers of DCS to be able to compare..
    No more no less


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hammer View Post
    Oh Geez... here we go again... :

    - Jeff
    +1 .. just thought the same..


    Well he already has Jax on his side it seems


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    Quote Originally Posted by PfcAJ View Post
    Do the heavy hitters really have to come to third (or was it fourth?) forum to lay it all out and make you look like a clown again? I guess its been a few months and you've had time to forget how embarrassed you were.
    grasping at strawers I guess.


    But shouldn't be too worried.. for cave profiles it really has less effect..
    So business is somewhat protected already..


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    sorry for the many posts.. have been reading through it..
    Will stop now..
    No need to warn..


    I govern myself accordingly


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrogenius View Post
    +1 .. just thought the same..


    Well he already has Jax on his side it seems
    Hey, I'm on no one's side!

    I just want to understand.

    Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    Hey, I'm on no one's side!

    I just want to understand.
    Sure, but you had been arguing the same train of thought as he did in the past..

    Last edited by Jax; 06-15-2016 at 10:46 AM.


 

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