Reel left in Jackson?

[aainslie]

It isn't uncommon for people to disagree on where a permanent line should start.

Understatement of the week...

[skoorbevad]

I don't think leaving the gold line back there is a bad thing. I could certainly use practice running a long reel. I don't see the point of leaving it in overnight, however, unless you're in there for a good reason -- it may give the wrong impression if the locale isn't as meticulous with signing in divers.

[PfcAJ]

Logic in this thread:

An OW diver will follow a gold colored line into the cave.

The same OW diver will not follow 3 or 4 white lines into the cave.

Cave divers sometimes do not run a white line into the cave because there are a bunch of other white lines going into the cave. Some think this is a bad idea, some are indifferent, some think it is a good idea.

Solution?

A SINGLE WHITE LINE going from entrance to cave. If OW divers can't or won't follow a white line (or 3 or 4), then surely it is color that is the problem. Now, there is always a line to OW, and everyone wins.

Reality? OW divers don't care about lines. If they're willing to go into the cavern, they'll do it with or without a line. If they have a line (which is tight, well placed) they at least have a snowball's chance. 3 or 4 poorly laid, perhaps slack lines? Less than a snowball's chance.

[Tegg]

Reality? OW divers don't care about lines. If they're willing to go into the cavern, they'll do it with or without a line. If they have a line (which is tight, well placed) they at least have a snowball's chance. 3 or 4 poorly laid, perhaps slack lines? Less than a snowball's chance.

Why not put a line with white LEDs on it, and put in a light bar with 500 Watts of lights? This way OW divers that make the bad choice to go into a cave have an even greater chance of survival.... (in jest)

In the end, the problem is the OW diver, not the lines.

[PfcAJ]

like vortex?

[jj1987]

All gold lines should be left at the end of the cavern zone. Then more would have totruly run a reel every time. I have seen to many not get tought propper instruction about reels because all they are tought are in systems that the gold line runs to OW. Even Twin should have it cut back to like it used to be.

If you have not been tought properly, then ask and maybe some mentoring will help or next time down get with me and I will teach you.

SLIM

I don't think leaving the gold line back there is a bad thing. I could certainly use practice running a long reel. I don't see the point of leaving it in overnight, however, unless you're in there for a good reason -- it may give the wrong impression if the locale isn't as meticulous with signing in divers.

You guys do realize that you can run a reel past the very spot where the gold line starts, right? I've seen numerous cave classes being taught at Peacock, where the reel is ran to nearly the peanut restriction as a practice thing.

Slim, I think you're a bit optimistic about cutting the line back. If they've not been taught how to run a line properly as you state, then what good does practicing the wrong way do? If anything, running a crappy reel further ingrains bad habits that will be hard to break when a good mentor does come along.

[Captain Bil]

Perhaps I've missed this, but it seems to me that there is a solution that hasn't been considered. Leave the gold line where it is and if you run a primary on entry, remove it when you exit. That solves the dilemma of multiple lines left in place while their owners aren't in the system. An added benefit is the diver gets the opportunity to practice retrieving a reel as well as deploying it. They are two different skills and quite frankly, a smooth controlled retrieval is the more difficult of the two.

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[Tegg]

Perhaps I've missed this, but it seems to me that there is a solution that hasn't been considered. Leave the gold line where it is and if you run a primary on entry, remove it when you exit. That solves the dilemma of multiple lines left in place while their owners aren't in the system. An added benefit is the diver gets the opportunity to practice retrieving a reel as well as deploying it. They are two different skills and quite frankly, a smooth controlled retrieval is the more difficult of the two.

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This is the way that I was taught.... I am not sure why this isn't the "standard" amongst cave divers today.

[Kevin Carlisle]

This is the way that I was taught.... I am not sure why this isn't the "standard" amongst cave divers today.

Apparently its harder to cave dive than to cyber dive so they leave the reels in now. I agree with the pull it every time philosophy too.

[Benthic]

Perhaps I've missed this, but it seems to me that there is a solution that hasn't been considered.
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I'm not convinced that there is a problem. When you go cave diving, there are all sorts of things that you have to deal with. Dark, flow, silt and lines to name a few. If another team(s) already has a reel in place that should be no big deal to you. It doesn't matter if this other line is run well, or if it looks like it was run by a blind spider, hopped up on PCP. Deal. It should be a minor annoyance at worst. Of course, if you tend to run line like the aforementioned blind spider then you're probably in for some static from other divers (and rightly so). But the fact that another team has left a reel in the system is not an earth shaking event.

Brian