Peacock

[Arctic Mike]

The road to P1/P3 was still closed this past weekend. The ranger said there are still too many widow makers to safely open the area yet.

OG was clear even with the increased traffic the system is seeing.

[Sludge]

To what do they refer as a "widow maker?"

[MORGAN]

To what do they refer as a "widow maker?"

When I was a young guy working in the woods, a widowmaker was a heavy dead branch up in a tree that you didn't see until you began to fell the tree, at which time it would fall and kill you. I had a good friend very seriously injured by one.

Also, salvage logging in a storm damaged forest is much more dangerous than logging in general.

[AlexL]

t would fall and kill you. I had a good friend very seriously injured by one.l.

there's been two fatalities at Ginnie due to dead fall; one in 2005, and a more recent one in 2021.

salvage logging is no joke for sure, and it's not like they can get a bucket truck back on the trails to clear em out.

[Arctic Mike]

It looks like they have cut in new access roads to help facilitate the cleanup. Not sure if they are going to be permanent

[oceancurrent]

Thank you for the report. I had no idea there were tree fall fatalities in Ginnie. Then again, I am not too surprised given the string of deaths there. If society were applying the same standards as to when a cave diving accident happens (=> calls for shutting down the cave), Ginnie should have been shut down 100x by now.

[OFG-1]

To what do they refer as a "widow maker?"

Husbands large life insurance policy?

[jebernot]

I guess I am just very confused. Are they waiting to clear the entire forest of hazards before they open it? Seems like the intelligent thing to do would be to chop and open the road and then they can take the time removing debris. I heard a contract had been issued and now they were waiting on the contractors. Of course half of Suwannee County still isn't cleaned up yet so time wise????? If someone can explain why this was not as simple as cutting the road clear and dropping trees into the treeline I am all ears. Has anyone seen the P1 deck and boardwalk? Hopefully the cave community does not get extorted for money to repair/replace it according to state park guidelines before cave access is allowed. Some may forget the Martz steps that went from a 1k project to a 7k project when state "construction guidelines" had to be met. I chipped in my $500 but will never forget we were told that if we did not raise the money they just wouldn't open it back up. The deck at Troy could be fixed in an afternoon and has been shut for months. They actually spent several hours redoing the yellow caution tape and reinstalling more 2 by 6 boards to block it off instead of working to repair it. I was there that day and saw it. The dock at Troy has been closed for two years. I thought Meetinghouse was being opened? Where did the money go that was collected for that? Did Emerald open back up and did anyone get an answer why it was closed???? Is it a budget issue? A staff issue? Oh and Ginnie is a separate story. They have had a few deaths from trees. As far as I know most were intents at night when tropical storms rolled through, not random hikers.

[DogDiver]

I guess my biggest concern is the park system will do to Peacock I & III what they did to Olson. Olson sink was only supposed to be shut down for a few months to allow soil and plant rejuvenation. It never reopened for diver access. I hope they don?t do the same thing to Peacock I & III.


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[Six Feet Under]

I guess I am just very confused. Are they waiting to clear the entire forest of hazards before they open it? Seems like the intelligent thing to do would be to chop and open the road and then they can take the time removing debris. I heard a contract had been issued and now they were waiting on the contractors. Of course half of Suwannee County still isn't cleaned up yet so time wise????? If someone can explain why this was not as simple as cutting the road clear and dropping trees into the treeline I am all ears. Has anyone seen the P1 deck and boardwalk? Hopefully the cave community does not get extorted for money to repair/replace it according to state park guidelines before cave access is allowed. Some may forget the Martz steps that went from a 1k project to a 7k project when state "construction guidelines" had to be met. I chipped in my $500 but will never forget we were told that if we did not raise the money they just wouldn't open it back up. The deck at Troy could be fixed in an afternoon and has been shut for months. They actually spent several hours redoing the yellow caution tape and reinstalling more 2 by 6 boards to block it off instead of working to repair it. I was there that day and saw it. The dock at Troy has been closed for two years. I thought Meetinghouse was being opened? Where did the money go that was collected for that? Did Emerald open back up and did anyone get an answer why it was closed???? Is it a budget issue? A staff issue? Oh and Ginnie is a separate story. They have had a few deaths from trees. As far as I know most were intents at night when tropical storms rolled through, not random hikers.

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