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    Default rebreathers are now obsolete

    Thought this was interesting

    http://www.livescience.com/scienceof...nderwater.html


    Alan Izhar-Bodner, an Israeli inventor, has developed a way for divers to breathe underwater without cumbersome oxygen tanks. His apparatus makes use of the air that is dissolved in water, just like fish do.


    (From Breathe like a fish!)

    The system uses the "Henry Law" which states that the amount of gas that can be dissolved in a liquid is proportional to the pressure on the liquid. Raise the pressure - more gas can be dissolved in the liquid. Decrease the pressure - gas dissolved in the liquid releases the gas. This is exactly what happens when you open a can of soda; carbon dioxide gas is dissolved in the liquid and is under pressure in the can. Open the can, releasing the pressure, and the gas fizzes out.

    Bodner's system apparently uses a centrifuge to lower pressure in part of a small amount of seawater taken into the system; dissolved gas is extracted. The patent abstract reads:

    A self-contained open-circuit breathing apparatus for use within a body of water naturally containing dissolved air. The apparatus is adapted to provide breathable air. The apparatus comprises an inlet means for extracting a quantity of water from the body of water. It further comprises a separator for separating the dissolved air from the quantity of water, thereby obtaining the breathable air. The apparatus further comprises a first outlet means for expelling the separated water back into the body of water, and a second outlet means for removing the breathable air and supplying it for breathing. The air is supplied so as to enable it to be expelled back into the body of water after it has been breathed.

    Human beings have been thinking about how to breathe underwater since they started swimming. This long-held desire plays an important part in one of the first great science fiction novels, Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

    It consists of a reservoir of thick iron plates, in which I store the air under a pressure of fifty atmospheres. This reservoir is fixed on the back by means of braces, like a soldier's knapsack.
    (Read more about Jules Verne's diving apparatus)


    (Check out this Functional Captain Nemo Diving Suit)

    More recently, I distinctly remember an episode of the sixties sf series Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea in which a scientist decides that the best way to breathe underwater is to give himself gills. Alas, once equipped with gills, and fully acclimated to life in the sea, Dr. Jenkins and his associate lie in wait outside the submarine Seaview, converting every diver who emerges from the ship into mermen.


    (From The Amphibians - aired Mar-08-1965)

    And, of course, everyone remembers the scene in which intrepid Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jin don pencil-sized breathing masks to explore the swamp lakes of Naboo in The Phantom Menace. This trick is used again in the most recent Star Wars movie.


    (Hmm, perhaps those small cylinders are centrifuges...)

    Read more at Like a Fish: Revolutionary Underwater Breathing System, or take a look at more inventions from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and the Functional Captain Nemo Diving Suit. Also, an excellent recent novel, Starfish by Peter Watts, refers to a "recycler" that can be implanted directly in the diver. Thanks to alert reader Adi for pointing this story out.

    (This Science Fiction in the News story used with permission from Technovelgy.com - where science meets fiction.)


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    Default Re: rebreathers are now obsolete

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry D
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    expelling the separated water back into the body of water,
    ...and the eflux of post-extraction water will provide thrust, thereby making the scooter obsolete as well...

    I'll take TWO, assuming that the spin torque for the separator comes from either a Perpetual motion machine, or the AC current fed from the tin-foil lining of my dive beenie...

    Norm

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    Shouldn't be to long before I can get my gills installed...

    Joe


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Pyle
    "After my first 10 hours on a rebreather, I was a real expert. Another 40 hours of dive time later, I considered myself a novice. When I had completed about 100 hours of rebreather diving, I realized I was only just a beginner."

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    Default Gills

    I'm still waiting for a combination rectal air convertor/regulator/rebreather/fusion chamber.

    "Have you ever noticed
    When you're feeling really good
    There's always a pigeon
    That'll come shiat on your hood?" John Prine 4-7-2020

    "Into the blue again; in the silent water
    Under the rocks, and stones; there is water underground" Talking Heads

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    Default Sounds like...

    this contraption will give my Yellow Box of Death a run for it's money.

    Where do I sign up? Is a side-mount version available?


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    Default Re: Sounds like...

    Quote Originally Posted by BillBowden
    Where do I sign up? Is a side-mount version available?
    I'm already working on it

    Forrest Wilson (with 2 Rs)
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    I'm guessing the power supply needed to run the centrifuge would be bulkier than tanks and that for cave the low oxygen in the water would make it even more difficult.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary
    I'm guessing the power supply needed to run the centrifuge would be bulkier than tanks and that for cave the low oxygen in the water would make it even more difficult.
    "Nothing Difficult is Ever Really Easy"

    Norm
    (visualizing whirled peas)

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    Default Re: Gills

    Quote Originally Posted by OFG-1
    I'm still waiting for a combination rectal air convertor/regulator/rebreather/fusion chamber.
    I think I caught a whiff of it at DEMA...
    AFAIR, it was called the Flatis Barosimian RB Model 2

    (Model 1 was a prototype that mysteriously exploded, leaving a brownish mushroom cloud)

    Just so you know...
    nhb

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    I have seen a picture describing this- Ah heck here is a link because I refuse to post it.
    http://www.rebreatherworld.com/galle...php?i=212&c=19
    Diver clicking on this link- you have been warned- no nudity, but Yuck!

    Know that we have past the kaka…

    Prism manufacture known as Steam Machines has talked about making a side slung bailout rebreather- time table is unknown at this time.

    Regards, Andrew



 

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