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    Default Mental Tricks for Mixing

    I often walk into shops, check the pressure on a tank, do some mental math and tell them how much gas i want. They're often shocked when the gas comes out to what I want. I thought I'd let people in on the secret.

    Let's say you're at 1000 PSI of 32% and you have to take an air fill. You don't want below 28%. How much gas should you ask for?

    Here's the trick. The difference between 32% and 21% is 11. Everything factors around the 11.

    28% is 7/11 of the way between these gases, and closest to 32%.

    Hence, a mix of 7/11 32% and 4/11 air will give you 28%.

    OK, so you want a mix where 1000 is 7/11, how much air? Answer, 4* 1000/7 (the 11's cancel out). That's 4000/7, or 570 psi'ish. Say 600.

    Easy!

    Another example. You have a mix that's 1000 psi 32% and 2000 psi 21%. What's the final mix?

    It's 2/3 of the way in between, closer to air. Remember the diff is 11. So 11/3 = 3.67. the mix will be (21 + 3.67) or 24.67, or roughly 25%.

    Once you get the differencing trick, and if you're reasonably facile with mental arithmetic or (God forbid) a pen and paper, you can reliably predict what mix you'll get when topping up with dissimilar gases, or give the filler a reasonable extimate of how much gas to shove in.

    Works for other gases too.

    Want a 50% mix using air and O2? To make life simple pretend air is 20% O2. So now the difference is 80 between the gases (100-20). You want to go UP 30 from air and DOWN 50 from O2. The mix will be 3/8 oxygen and 5/8 air. For a 3200 fill (remember 32=4*8 ), that's 1200 O2, 2000 air.

    Simple!

    And here's the thing. If you can predict mixes, then when a surprise happens, you know that something in the chain is broken. This should start you checking EVERY gas at that point. Perhpas the O2 sensor is off - I've managed to catch that error before this way. Or perhaps the banks don't contain what the store thinks they do. So being good at predicting what a mix will turn out at is really useful.

    Let me suggest this point ( tying back to the last post) - testing with an analyzer isn't much use unless you know what to expect out of the analyzer. Do the math - using formulae if necessary - so that the O2 monitor is a tool to VERIFY your mix rather than to DETERMINE your mix. The monitor may be miscalibrated, the gas poorly mixed, and you may end up with a different gas from what the O2 thingie says.

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    Ok, I'm dizzy now! :-p

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgDadddy View Post
    Ok, I'm dizzy now! :-p
    Thank you for saying that! It's funny, but when life is stressing me out it is hard to reach the math portion of my brain.

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    Come on Andrew... it starting to look like Ratio Deco...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chimie007 View Post
    Come on Andrew... it starting to look like Ratio Deco...
    Not at all. There's no guesswork in this.

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    I kinda do the same thing but man it seems so simple in my head.

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    Don't forget to account for the intermolecular/van der Waals forces due to the fluctuating polarizations of the gas molecules.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo View Post
    I kinda do the same thing but man it seems so simple in my head.
    That's what I was thinking!

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    Andrew,

    Your parlor tricks are giving me a headache! My gas calculator on my iPhone does all of this stuff without evening breaking a sweat!

    Regards,
    Randy

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    hi Andrew,

    besides the fact that it´s always very important to roughly know what mix you get when topping, by calculating ahead of filling, I don´t see the practical advantage in your samples 1 and 2, or do you go diving with a tank filled to 1600psi (1) or 1500psi (2)

    Case 3 makes sense to me, but what when it comes to different tank sizes??? Guess what I do.

    First step is to transfer everything into metric system, then do an easy calculation and transfer it back.



 

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