Petition for CDS Safety Awards

[billyf]

Please consider sigining the petition to remove the
recently added requirement of membership for the CDS Safety
Awards.


http://www.petitiononline.com/cds1/petition.html

[cavediver27]

Why should I want to sign your petition?

It's a CDS award you're talking about. If you want a CDS award you should also be willing to belong to the group that provides the award. If the CDS provides awards they should require membership to recieve them. If it's not worth it to you to join the CDS then any award they provide shouldn't be worth it to you either.

Seems like plain old common sense to me.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

To what end is this award beneficial to a non-CDS member?

NSS CDS owned sites that require 100 safe cave dives, also require NSS CDS membership, so there is no benefit at that end.

Are there any other sites that require proof of 100 safe cave dives in the form of an Abe Davis award, that don't recognize the NACD Bronze Wakulla Award?



Show me the benefit of this award, and I'll happily sign the petition. I don't consider another card or certificate a benefit...

[jj1987]

How do they swap awards? I'll have my NACD bronze wakulla in around 1/2 the time it will take me to get the nss-cds award. Not sure the two are equal.

From what I understand, you can do 100 short dives and get your nss-cds award, or go the NACD route and do 50 or fewer dives of 2+ hours bottom time.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

I guess I still considered the Broze Wakulla thing as 100 safe cave dives as well, didn't see the 100 hours thing.



So let me rephrase my question, in what way will the Abe Davis(sans NSS/CDS membership) benefit me, if I can already prove 100 safe cave dives after Full Cave. Whether that be from my log book and/or a Wakulla Award(for 100 safe dives, and FAR more than 100 hours), is there somewhere that the NSS award will get me?

[cavediver27]

How do they swap awards? I'll have my NACD bronze wakulla in around 1/2 the time it will take me to get the nss-cds award. Not sure the two are equal.

From what I understand, you can do 100 short dives and get your nss-cds award, or go the NACD route and do 50 or fewer dives of 2+ hours bottom time.

Way back when I got my Abe Davis the requirement was 100 cave dives after full cave with a minimum of 45 minutes bottom time for each dive excluding deco but with a minimum of 100 hours total bottom time. I'm not really sure of the current requirements because they may have changed.

[Serota]

From the NACD website:

http://www.safecavediving.com/wakulla.shtml

[jj1987]

From the NACD website:

http://www.safecavediving.com/wakulla.shtml

Not sure that clears much up

Bronze Wakulla Award - 100 or more hours of bottom time in the cave zone or 100 or more safe cave dives.

To receive the award:

1. Take application, log book, and a copy of the 100th, 500th, or 1000th dive log entry to a NACD instructor. All dives to be counted towards the award must be after full cave training is completed.

[WJH]

I also am of the opinion that NSS-CDS membership should be a requirement for an award issued by NSS-CDS.

WJH

[wingman]

From the NACD website:

http://www.safecavediving.com/wakulla.shtml

i actually like what the nacd uses for the wakulla: free to members, $35 for a non-member. That is sort of like saying you must be a member as well but not quite.