Memorial missing

[Jordan]

I was told that the memorial that was left in memory of Chris and Chrissy at the Hienkle is missing and has been replaced by two knee prints.

Anybody?

[mfascuba]

?? It's been a while (over a year) since I've been there, but I recall the area being a rock bottom. Regardless, if that plaque is missing it's a crime. I hope that if it's gone that the person who took it is big enough to return it.

I have found several of the CRJ (Chris Rouse Jr) clear red line arrows thru the system - they are nice touchstones to see during dives to some of the less traveled areas. At one time there were three, it may be down to two now. Kind of like the "Steve" arrows..

Some things need to be left alone.

Mark

[Line Squirrel]

I was told that the memorial that was left in memory of Chris and Chrissy at the Hienkle is missing and has been replaced by two knee prints.

Anybody?

If it's true that would be some serious bad JuJu that I wouldn't want following me around.

[marinediver]

While there are many things that I am willing to get in a fight over, I don't think that this person is worth my energy. We also need to be above the level of the persons that are responsible for this. While I was only nine when this happened, it is an outrage that this has happened. This memorial was put at their final resting place....It is their grave marker. I am placing an envelope on the counter at Cave East to replace the marker. I don't own a scooter or ever rode one, but I will swim it back there and replace it myself.

Chris

[Cave Ranger]

Are we sure that it's actually missing or just moved? Not that moving memorial is acceptable either. It's not like a rubber Godzilla doll and should be respected and left in place.
I've never been to the Hinkle or seen this marker. Is it something that would be easy to move? Tipped over and buried maybe?
Could the person who reported this have been mistaken?
Why would some sick jackass steal somethng like this? For a door stop?
It would seem that there are a few pretty seedy dirt bags who have taken a liking to our sport so I suppose thievery amongst our ranks is very possible. Sad but possible.
I hope it turns up.

[defunct]

It would seem that there are a few pretty seedy dirt bags who have taken a liking to our sport so I suppose thievery amongst our ranks is very possible. Sad but possible.

That kind of stuff happens as soon as an activity is considered "cool" amongst a majority of people... Cavediving has been picked as that by the certification organizations... (I can't really call them "training organizations" anymore)

[aainslie]

I am placing an envelope on the counter at Cave East to replace the marker.
Chris

If this has indeed happened, I think it's a great idea to replace it soon. Please post if anyone is collecting - I'd be very happy to make a donation, and I know many others would too.

There are some ideas blowing around TDS on how to make an immovable memorial. This might be the only way to avoid this crap.

I was recently a loong way between two systems, in an area of cave that doesn't get dived too often. There was graffiti, drag marks and god knows what else incredibly deep into this system. it's just incredible what passes for acceptable - but it ain't going to change any time soon. There's very little that can be done to stop it.

Perhaps the agencies need to consider changing the classic WARNING signs. An added sign reminding people that they may NOT damage or remove anything inside a cave might be useful - those warning signs are ingrained in our brains, and perhaps such a second sign might remind people that it is completely unacceptable to alter the caves in any way.

[defunct]

There are some ideas blowing around TDS on how to make an immovable memorial. This might be the only way

With their ideas, you might as well carve it into the wall...

Just a thought... who chooses which plaques can be put in which caves as a memorial? I may start a plaque placing business and I need to know who I have to get authorization from...

(This is in no way a post in support of some retard removing a plaque that has been in one of the caves for a long time.)

[bernieflyer]

I was always surprised when i saw that plaque that it was so small, light and mostly just laying there. I've even showed it to a buddy of mine by handing it over (of course we replaced it), but it always left me wondering that it was only a matter of time untill somebody would kick it around or else.....

[Mike]

Are we sure that it's actually missing or just moved?

It would seem somebody needs to investigate this before everybody gets all tore up over something that is not substanciated as of yet.

Mike