another factor you have to consider with people who say they are still clean is denial. thats a huge factor in DCI is people being in denial about it. just another food for thought
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Nope, I'm still clean
Yes, mild type 1 (untreated)
Yes, mild type 1 (took a ride)
Yes, serious type 2
another factor you have to consider with people who say they are still clean is denial. thats a huge factor in DCI is people being in denial about it. just another food for thought
I would seriously doubt that. Claimed dives or actual dives?Originally Posted by aainslie
I know a lot of divers who claim to have x number of dives, but when you analyze it, they're nowhere near.
I've been diving for 22 years, I'm working on a string of 119 consecutive months with at least one dive, and I'm still not at 1,000.
Whoever said money can't buy love never bought a puppy.
On the other hand, I've been diving for 19 years and teaching for 15 of those. I hit 1000 OW dives around 2000, and 1000 cave dives around 2007.
Of course I was "lucky" enough to be working in the islands and on liveaboards from 1994 through 2000, and y'all know what I do now.....
Safe diving,
Rich
P.S. I have never counted any teaching dives as logged dives, but I do know instructors who log their pool dives......
Last edited by Rich; 03-12-2009 at 11:32 AM.
I thought the diving board counted as an overhead environment. If not, I am not where near 1,000 cave dives...
~Jeff
Well, you could just run a primary from the bathroom door, then using placements to keep the line low and tight, do a secondary on the faucet while leaving the taps on to "simulate flow", enter through the "bathtub restriction" and pull a sheet of plywood over the top of you for 25 mins or so.....
Safe diving,
Rich
I'll admit that the 1000 is a WAG. Still, a LOT of the people here are pretty serious. If the number is WAY lower (say 200 or so) then these stats are a lot more worrying.
Andrew Ainslie
Almost extinct cave diver
Andrew, unfortunately I think they fall into the "a lot more worrying" category since I would also doubt very much the 1000 - way lower I think, certainly if defining them as "real" dives = those that require at least a few minutes of deco. More like in the very low 100's, closer to the 200 already posted. My question is why!
Maybe the internet posters tend to be gunslingers...I don't know - goes along with the fallicy of typical statistical analysis - usually there is a bias that skews things.
Perhaps too much reliance on computers and not enough thinking, understanding and planning.
Maybe too many people doing shorter and more frequent dives. Lets face it, the single dive and go wait a day is fairly well understood...repetitive - no way it is understood.
Andrew, I have not picked up on it yet, and maybe I missed it...but I think you told me you have been bent. If true, what were the general circumstances? Food for discussion.
Bob Cree
http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showp...6&postcount=17
Both were repetitive dives, and shortish (<2 hours each). maybe that does indeed play a part.
But I started this a little tongue in cheek after some speaker offered his services to talk about how brave he was after being bent. Presumably he thinks that getting bent makes him an expert - to me that's like a heart attack survivor thinking they're a cardiologist. I also wanted to test my hypothesis that a large percentage of cave divers have been bent. But as high as I thought the numbers would be, I'm still amazed to find out just how high a percentage of us have taken some sort of hit.
And believe me, I wish I'd taken the ride. I had to work the next day and was worried that they'd screw me around and not let me out in time. Result - I STILL get some residual pain in my left arm a year later, and I've had quite a few nights where I gave up and took a few ibuprofens and aspirins before sleeping. It was a stupid decision. I also think that my second hit was as a result of not having waited long enough after the first one - it was a few weeks later.
Take the ride, is my advice! And its corollary - don't dive without DAN.
OK, so now for the second poll... Russell, thanks for the idea...
Last edited by aainslie; 03-12-2009 at 09:23 PM.
Andrew Ainslie
Almost extinct cave diver
I notice that as the poll gets more attention, the percentage of "hits" drops. That tells me that Skip is probably right about who responds to the poll. FWIW, I have all three safety awards, and have never had a DCS incident (knock on wood).
On another note, I know at least three cave divers who've taken chamber rides in the last couple of days.....
Safe diving,
Rich
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