Dive Sally Ward

[fitnessdiver]

I wish I lived closer to cave country but for now I don't. I have to come down there on vacation. And I try to do it on a shoestring budget so that I can get more diving in. When you start talking about $300 for a cave dive, plus park fees, and guide fees (if not included).... that's way out of my price range since I'm already paying all the extras that you have to pay while on vacation...

The reality for me is that it will keep me out of those systems... and if I did start thinking of wanting to dive them... with that kind of price why shouldn't I think of taking a trip to Mexico instead... more bang for my buck when I look at the total trip costs.

just my 2 cents.....

[scububa]

Economics, Behavorial Science, Philosophy...

and I thought this was a dive class

$300 / dive ????

I can think of flying to NC, renting a car, paying for lodging (food I'd need anyway, so not factored)...with no guarantee I'd get to dive (weather)

Then, gas fills, tank rental, boat ride...(with better, but still some marginal, guarantee...weather could change or conditions at site could still be yucky (open water analogy to Jeano cave poofy )

Yeah, I think I have paid $300 for a dive and I haven't even come close to doing something like the Doria. Heck that seems like it could get an order of magnitude higher (oops, now we got Math and Engineering sneaking into this).

When you think of the much higher probability of good conditions for a FL cave, $300 might be the value bet. But, then, I quit fishing when I did the math and realized what I was paying a pound (boat, fuel, insurance, storage, maintance...) and decided Sushi in a nice restaruant with a good bottle of wine was cheaper and I didn't have to get up so early

[wingman]

Economics, Behavorial Science, Philosophy...

and I thought this was a dive class

$300 / dive ????

I can think of flying to NC, renting a car, paying for lodging (food I'd need anyway, so not factored)...with no guarantee I'd get to dive (weather)

Then, gas fills, tank rental, boat ride...(with better, but still some marginal, guarantee...weather could change or conditions at site could still be yucky (open water analogy to Jeano cave poofy )

Yeah, I think I have paid $300 for a dive and I haven't even come close to doing something like the Doria. Heck that seems like it could get an order of magnitude higher (oops, now we got Math and Engineering sneaking into this).

When you think of the much higher probability of good conditions for a FL cave, $300 might be the value bet. But, then, I quit fishing when I did the math and realized what I was paying a pound (boat, fuel, insurance, storage, maintance...) and decided Sushi in a nice restaruant with a good bottle of wine was cheaper and I didn't have to get up so early

Fortunately, most don't do the math (i certainly don't although my wife does and i hear about it often). Exactly on the boat dives...the outcome there is much more uncertain. Bill

[jpdiver]

$300 seems steep for one dive. On the other hand, I have paid $1,500.00 for 3 dives on the Andrea Doria but dive boats have costs that State Parks don't. My State Park pass fee already goes to maintenance. Where would all this extra money go?

How much does the WKPP pay to dive it?

[wingman]

$300 seems steep for one dive. On the other hand, I have paid $1,500.00 for 3 dives on the Andrea Doria but dive boats have costs that State Parks don't. My State Park pass fee already goes to maintenance. Where would all this extra money go?

How much does the WKPP pay to dive it?

What you actually pay and what you are willing to pay are two different things. Even though you actually paid $300 a dive for your Doria dives you were probably willing to pay more. It is willingness to pay and not what you actually pay that measures the value of a resource or product. It is interesting how Wendy's uses the concept of consumer surplus(differece bewteen what you are willing to pay and what you actually pay) into this commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8t8kBeNDog

Parks have pretty much all the costs that any other business has.

[jpdiver]

What you actually pay and what you are willing to pay are two different things. Even though you actually paid $300 a dive for your Doria dives you were probably willing to pay more. It is willingness to pay and not what you actually pay that measures the value of a resource or product. It is interesting how Wendy's uses the concept of consumer surplus(differece bewteen what you are willing to pay and what you actually pay) into this commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8t8kBeNDog

Parks have pretty much all the costs that any other business has.

Yes- but how does the park cost go up based on whether or not we dive the cave? They already get money from state taxes and our annual passes.

[wingman]

Yes- but how does the park cost go up based on whether or not we dive the cave? They already get money from state taxes and our annual passes.

This pretty much explains a lot of the issues associated with public sector concerns:


http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/pla...sStatePark.pdf

[runawaylobster]

Suppose that you could do a cave dive into Sally Ward (aka Numero Uno). That dive would be a guided staged swim to the balcony and then a circuit around the cube room. Further, the dive requires that you purchase a license to do it. Would you be willing to pay $300 for the license to do the dive?

Well I am sure I have paid $300 for a dive before but let's see... I get a long boat ride, sometimes even a bunk, I get a crew who drags my scooter back in the boat for me, I get a big fill of helium..... sometimes they might even fill it for me....and sometimes I even get food as well... not to mention drinks on the boat...

what is included in the $300 cave dive??

[johnnyrichards]

Why pay $300 for a dive that anybody who knows where the sight is can do at 2:00 am?

JR

[caverkevin]

So many caves, so little time. I'll spend my time and money diving caves that do not cost $300.