Own your own cave for $1,000

[Cindy]

a) Have a board of directors (BOD) elected by popular annual vote.
b) Vistors and/or guests pay a nominal fee to dive the site.
c) Single share per indiviual owner, or multiple share holders hold a
single vote
d) Shares can be sold, given or willed to others
e) Deed restrictions, such as,
1) no member is allowed to live on the property
2) no training
3) no hunting, trapping, motocross, etc.
4) No erection of personal structures
5) No storage of personal equipment, to include boats,
trailers, DPVs, dive gear, etc. unless staying in bunk house
f) No personal sales of maps, surveys, photos or videos of cave
g) Virgin passage is 1st come, 1st explored, no "holding the end of
line"
h) Safety & training requirement modifications should exploration
dictate SM, trimix, DPVs, rebreathers, etc.
i) Line management coordinator
j) If you lay line you survey what you lay and submit to coordinator
You can name your explored areas provided survey data is
submitted
k) A host of others items can be added

I'm sorry but this is cracking me up!

[Cindy]

here is a reply to a message I sent to the reality place in charge of this:

This sink is 2 miles from the Hornsby spring system which goes into an
under
ground river. There is a chance that there is a connection into the
Hornsby system from the sink. It has a depth of about 130 ft. It is 2
miles from town. And it is about 15 miles from Ginnie Springs. The
cave has not been really explored. There have been a few divers who
have done a bit of exploring but no-one has ever done a real
exploration of this sink. John has not been able to thoroughly
explore the sink due to other commitments. John said that it is
approximately 40 to 60 ft wide and 700 ft long with a lot of potential
side leads. The property is 2 mls. from interstate 75 on one side and
441, which is a major rode that runs the length of FL. on the other
side. The town of High Springs is 2 mls from the property. It is in a
beautiful rural setting and is zoned agricultural. This means you can
build homes in the area but no business.

Now this one really cracks me up. Is there any cave diver on this forum who would own a cave in your own back yard and "not dive it because of other commitments". Please! In your own back yard and you own the property for years....

[cavediver256]

LMAO, Cindy you are a voice of reason !!!!

[NorthWoodsDiver]

The report is this guy is going to be doing a tv interview about the cave system. I am awaiting more info on when/where.

I cant understand why he hasn't pushed the cave further unless there is a restriction or ****ty viz or something else that may make him not want to go past 700 or so feet.

If he wasn't surveying the passage while laying line he should be able to lay more than that unless its challenging cave.

looks to me like a good excuse for a couple 104's of 21/35 and a couple dives just to make sure its worth the $$$.

Whats the property value of 2 ordinary acres in high springs?

[Cindy]

The report is this guy is going to be doing a tv interview about the cave system. I am awaiting more info on when/where.

I cant understand why he hasn't pushed the cave further unless there is a restriction or ****ty viz or something else that may make him not want to go past 700 or so feet.

If he wasn't surveying the passage while laying line he should be able to lay more than that unless its challenging cave.

looks to me like a good excuse for a couple 104's of 21/35 and a couple dives just to make sure its worth the $$$.

Whats the property value of 2 ordinary acres in high springs?

In Alachua County, near a cute city like High Springs. Maybe $15,000. Talk to Moonfussy, she sells reality in this area. Cindy

[NorthWoodsDiver]

I suck at spelling, I know. especially when I am not paying to much attention.

anyway $7500 an acre for ordinary land, then land with a cave should be maybe $9k an acre. that other location is 8 acres for $89K which works out to $11K each. Either way though this guy wants $40K an acre so maybe the solution isn't finding 80 people to pitch in $1000 but have 30 or 40 people make an all cash offer

[Capt Tim]

Considering how long it has been owned by a cave diver I can't believe any cave diver would own property with a sinkhole and not dive it extensivenly to determine what's there, or, have someone else who is qualified explore it.

For value, I think having the sinkhole as an attractive nuisance and liability would be a big disadvantage if there is no going cave system to profit or benefit from. If you're truthful with your liability insurance carrier about the sinkhole, the other local cave diving attractions, and the insurance carrier has any idea what's up with sneak diving I'm sure you would face big time multipliers in insurance costs. AND.....If you could get insurance I'll bet you would have to invest big $$$ in high fencing and possibly intrusion detection if the land were not occupied full time with a resident or had a caretaker to visit daily.

[FW]

Considering how long it has been owned by a cave diver I can't believe any cave diver would own property with a sinkhole and not dive it extensivenly to determine what's there, or, have someone else who is qualified explore it.

FWIW, John is not sidemount, so there is still a possibility of finding something.

[Cindy]

FWIW, John is not sidemount, so there is still a possibility of finding something.

Woody Jasper dove it and tried to push the cave Forrest. So did Tom Morris. All the heavy hitters. It was an easy spot to go for a long time. A favorite sneak dive. There is fantasy and reality. It may be a nice dive at the right time of year, it would be cool to own it, but thinking it's some big deal that will connect to the river is just not a realistic expectation.

Having a group of people save or invest in a cave is fine. There are several not for profits that would love to do that and a person buying the cave could get a environmental easement that would cut some of the taxes. It's neat to own one.

I am just saying the sink we are talking about won't work well for a group. As I wrote in my first post, there are a LOT of other sinks and caves that would suit this type of attention and be bought for less. They go someplace. They would have more diving for a group. More bang for the buck. Nicer places, less crowded.

John has been trying to sell that place for some time. You don't see the locals getting all excited. Cindy

[cwick]

Cindy, what other places are available? ( Other than the one in the Ranch Club, South of Tallahassee)