Welcome to the Cave Diver's Forum.
+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 6 of 6

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, Tennessee
    Posts
    3,270

    Default Dual Baseline Method?

    What is the dual baseline method used to survey low viz caves? It was mentioned in the first chapter of the Heinerth & Oigarden cave diving book.

    -skip

    "Learning the techniques of others does not interfere with the discovery of techniques of one's own." B.F. Skinner, 1970.

  2. #2
    Administrator Forum Admin
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, TN
    Posts
    1,985

    Default

    I would assume that refers to running a survey line down either side of a passage (i.e. you can't see both walls at once).


  3. #3
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    south Georgia
    Posts
    7,398

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skip View Post
    What is the dual baseline method used to survey low viz caves? It was mentioned in the first chapter of the Heinerth & Oigarden cave diving book.

    -skip
    If I recall correctly from my research this was used at Lafayette Blue. I have been involved over the last couple years,when conditions allow,to bring the survey up to higher grade,and add some passages missing off the original map. Interestingly I found Sheck's map to be very accurate. I hope you are enjoying the history section,this was a true labor of love between Bill and myself,and involved 100s of hours of research,interview etc.

    "Not all change is improvement...but all improvement is change" Donald Berwick

  4. #4
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    south Georgia
    Posts
    7,398

    Default

    I recall that this method was developed because the viz is poor and the sidewalls can be 60 feet apart. Although interestingly some sidewalls are marked in dashed lines which indicates that they weren't measured,and if you have the NSS guidebook from the Lake City convention you'll see the story to that. One procedure we put in place when measuring side walls,is don't reel the tape in quickly. When my buddy was measuring a sidewall 50' away in 10' viz,I reeled the tape spool in quickly,and he suddenly didn't have a guide line back to me :-( uh-oh!

    "Not all change is improvement...but all improvement is change" Donald Berwick

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, Tennessee
    Posts
    3,270

    Default two survey lines?

    Yes, the history is interesting - I hope you plan a book dedicated just to the history, with the details!

    If I understand correctly, the double baseline, is as Marbry suggested two survey lines? You then measure from survey line 1 to the sidewall, floor, ceiling (and azimuth), then do the same from survey line 2, but to the opposite wall. Then you also must measure distance between the two lines. It might be easier if the stations were the same location on both lines, but probably not necessary - or depends on level of the survey?

    -skip

    "Learning the techniques of others does not interfere with the discovery of techniques of one's own." B.F. Skinner, 1970.

  6. #6
    Administrator Forum Admin
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Murfreesboro, TN
    Posts
    1,985

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skip View Post
    Yes, the history is interesting - I hope you plan a book dedicated just to the history, with the details!

    If I understand correctly, the double baseline, is as Marbry suggested two survey lines? You then measure from survey line 1 to the sidewall, floor, ceiling (and azimuth), then do the same from survey line 2, but to the opposite wall. Then you also must measure distance between the two lines. It might be easier if the stations were the same location on both lines, but probably not necessary - or depends on level of the survey?

    -skip
    I think you're trying to make it too complicated Skip. The whole point of doing that is so that you don't have to constantly measure over to the other survey/wall. Except periodically, and at junctions to tie the two together and aid in error detection. Otherwise you might as well just run a single survey line. You would probably also want to start both from a common point.

    In that context you can think of it like surveying a large room in an air filled cave. Often you will have a central breakdown pile that limits visibility from anywhere on the perimeter. The primary survey would then typically be to survey around the perimeter of the room, tieing-in on either side. Incidentally the Sarawak Chamber in Borneo, which is the largest cave room in the world; I understand it took them around 18 hours to survey the perimeter.

    By following both walls, you have at the very least delimited the extents of the passage, and hopefully detected any side leads in the process.

    Marbry

    Last edited by Webmaster; 01-10-2009 at 03:27 PM.


 

Similar Threads

  1. FS Dual Bladder Wing
    By DIVEHYPE in forum Gear Exchange
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-17-2007, 04:51 PM
  2. FS: Dual Bladder
    By DIVEHYPE in forum Gear Exchange
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-14-2007, 02:00 PM
  3. looking for dual rec wing
    By akcaver in forum Gear Exchange
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-11-2007, 12:48 AM
  4. FS: Dual-Bladder 60# Wing
    By sdenney in forum Gear Exchange
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-27-2005, 10:08 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts