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    Quote Originally Posted by fixxervi6 View Post
    would this be a good time to bring up signs again?

    having a short blurb sign about conservation or something, at least this way if someone pulls this again they can't go "I didn't know"

    and modify the sign in sheets so they have to sign that they KNOW its "bad"

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    Anyone diving cow has to sign and agree with the NSS-CDS mission statement. The back of the sign in waiver is almost all about cave conservation IIRC. I hear there's more damage than just the DIC too, I heard that on the clay bank closer to the gold line, there's tons of nicks and marks now.

    We can start placing billboards in and around the caves, and the people who just don't care, will continue not to care. Have you seen the 15ft mark in the Hillier Tunnel that looks like a stage bottle drag? A nick or hand print in the clay, while unacceptable, isn't someone who doesn't care but rather someone who made a mistake, however drawing/writing in the clay, and dragging a stage bottle for 15+ft in an area where you can easily get up off the floor, is a blatant disregard for cave conservation, and a sign won't fix THAT.

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    Here's the membership form for the nss-cds that all members who dive cow have signed at one point
    The National Speleological Society and the Cave Diving Section believes; that caves have unique scientific, recreational, and scenic values; that these values are endangered by both carelessness and intentional vandalism; that these values, once gone, cannot be recovered; and that the responsibility for protecting caves must be assumed by those who study and enjoy them.

    Accordingly, the intention of the Society is to work for the preservation of caves with a realistic policy sup-ported by effective programs for: the encouragement of self-discipline among cavers; education and research concerning the causes and prevention of cave damage; and special projects, including cooperation with other groups similarly dedicated to the conservation of natural areas.

    Specifically: All contents of a cave - formations, life and loose deposits - are significant for it's enjoyment and interpretation.

    Therefore, caving parties should leave a cave as they find it. They should find means for the removal of waste; Limit marking to a few, small and removable signs as are needed for surveys; and, especially, exercise extreme care not to accidentally break or soil formations, disturb life forms or unnecessarily increase the number of disfiguring paths through an area. Scientific collection is professional, selective and minimal. The collecting of mineral or biological material for display purposes, including previously broken or dead specimens, is never justified, as it encourages others to collect and destroy the interests of the cave.

    The Society encourages projects such as: establishing cave preserves; placing entrance gates where appropriate; opposing the sale of speleothems; supporting effective protective measures; cleaning and restoring over-used caves; cooperating with private cave owners by providing knowledge about their cave and assisting them in protecting their cave and property from damage during cave visits; and encourage commercial cave owners to make use of their opportunity to aid the public in understanding caves and the importance of their conservation.

    Where there is reason to believe that publications of cave locations will lead to vandalism before adequate protection can be established, the Society will oppose such publication.

    It is the duty of every Society member to take personal responsibility for spreading a consciousness of the cave conservation problem to each potential user of caves. Without this, the beauty and value of our caves will not long remain with us.

    "I HAVE READ THIS NSS CONSERVATION POLICY, AND I AM IN SUPPORT THEREOF, I HEREBY WISH TO APPLY FOR OR RENEW MEMBERSHIP"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj1987 View Post
    Anyone diving cow has to sign and agree with the NSS-CDS mission statement. The back of the sign in waiver is almost all about cave conservation IIRC. I hear there's more damage than just the DIC too, I heard that on the clay bank closer to the gold line, there's tons of nicks and marks now.

    We can start placing billboards in and around the caves, and the people who just don't care, will continue not to care. Have you seen the 15ft mark in the Hillier Tunnel that looks like a stage bottle drag? A nick or hand print in the clay, while unacceptable, isn't someone who doesn't care but rather someone who made a mistake, however drawing/writing in the clay, and dragging a stage bottle for 15+ft in an area where you can easily get up off the floor, is a blatant disregard for cave conservation.
    Yea but you don't have to sign a statement that says I've read about the conservation and will comply etc. - edit alirght its on the CDS stuff, I'm no lawyer dunno if thats binding to help nail this guy or not.

    I'm thinking if a sign stops even one act of vandalism then it was worth the effor and money spent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Was the original damage ever fixed?

    Leaving the damage just attracts other markers to leave their initials...
    I dove Cow a few weeks back and DIC was still visible in the clay bank. I can't believe how careless some people can be!


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    I have talked to the states attorneys office,and started a complaint based on the Florida Statute for cave vandalism. The investigative process with Suwannee Co law enforcement has started,and thanks to alert cave divers,we have 2 suspects that are being pursued. We thank everyone for being patient with the temporary closure of Cow while evidence is collected for law enforcement.
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    Thanks for keeping us updated, and for staying on top of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop View Post
    thanks to alert cave divers,we have 2 suspects that are being pursued.
    Why do I have flashbacks of white ford broncos??

    Good work


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    Default Carving initials+

    I wonder how this perpetrator would react if he/she got out of the water at a dive site and found someone had carved their initials in his/her dive vehicle?

    Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjack View Post
    Why do I have flashbacks of white ford broncos??

    Good work
    I was hoping more along thelma and louise...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Techno_Bob View Post
    I wonder how this perpetrator would react if he/she got out of the water at a dive site and found someone had carved their initials in his/her dive vehicle?

    Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmm!

    Bob
    How about P.O.S carved on their foreheads?? Hell I’ll even sign the guys don’t damage my face statement/ agreement before I did it!!!


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    If it turns out that they are not able to prosicute them for one reason or the other.....It would be helpfull for all of us to know thier names so that we may personally let them know how we feel



 

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