Ginnie exploration

[Jerry]

Some people have, but don't boast about it. Just because it is not on the Internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen....

Other than Walter, very very few on this forum have been in Rose, McCormick, or O'leno. I doubt more than a couple have been in Syphon Creek; it resembles work, you just can't back up to the water.

Jerry

[guru caver]

Other than Walter, very very few on this forum have been in Rose, McCormick, or O'leno. I doubt more than a couple have been in Syphon Creek; it resembles work, you just can't back up to the water.

Jerry

Do you think it would be better if caves like that were used for training? I mean, it would certainly let people know right away if they had the heart for the sport!

[Jerry]

You are missing the point. I thought this thread was about stifling the documentation of exploration. You didn't like Walter's rant; I fully understand it. People that have been there and done that being hobbled by has beens and wannabes.

No I don't think those sites should be training sites; these sites take alot of experience. I don't mean 200 dives at ginnie. I mean the type of experience gained over the years by diving many different sites.

That is one of the problems with cave diving today. New divers with money that think because they have 2 or 300 uneventful dives at LR, Peacock, Ginnie, Manatee in their first two years believing they have experience. TRUE experience comes with surviving close calls, being in total darkness, finding the line in a total siltout.

Experience allows you to keep you s*** together when it hits the fan; NOT scootering to the Hinkle a dozen times. Experience takes time; alot of time.

Jerry

[Marc Bryan]

This reminds of the motorcycle saying - "There is a big difference in 20 years of experience, and one year of exerience repeated 20 times."

[guru caver]

You are missing the point. I thought this thread was about stifling the documentation of exploration. You didn't like Walter's rant; I fully understand it. People that have been there and done that being hobbled by has beens and wannabes.

No I don't think those sites should be training sites; these sites take alot of experience. I don't mean 200 dives at ginnie. I mean the type of experience gained over the years by diving many different sites.

That is one of the problems with cave diving today. New divers with money that think because they have 2 or 300 uneventful dives at LR, Peacock, Ginnie, Manatee in their first two years believing they have experience. TRUE experience comes with surviving close calls, being in total darkness, finding the line in a total siltout.

Experience allows you to keep you s*** together when it hits the fan; NOT scootering to the Hinkle a dozen times. Experience takes time; alot of time.

Jerry

First of all, I would like to say, Thank-you. You are one of the few people I think understand why I had to start this thread.

Second, you have some really valid points. I think people need to hear things like this on a regular basis.

[Jay]

What's the old saying? "Experience is what you get right AFTER you need it the most."