Woohoo, congrats Andrew.... :)

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Bill, it was a tongue in cheek comment at best. I'm not sure why you got riled up. I know that Jeff (since we're now going there) thinks that I'm spreading his map around, and indeed has some weird ideas about calling the FBI to report me. But what the hell, if tongues are going to exit cheeks, here goes.

Please ask him to do so at any time. I've posted him my address and phone number before, and a simple internet search will produce my work address. Hell, I'll call the FBI and give myself in if he wants - just ask him to forward me the number he'd like me to call. What a joke.

It IS true that MULTIPLE pdf files of that map exist created by different people, and it is true that I have been emailed one before. it is NOT true that I created this map or was responsible for its dissemination. He also seems to think I have it on a website somewhere. Really? Would someone like to give me a URL for it? I now that at least one of the creators would only send it out to people who had purchased Jeff's map. If - and only if - someone is able to subpoena me successfully I'll divulge who that is. But several dozen other people with the map can tell you who that is too.

He'll have to use someone else as his whipping horse. And seriously, I think that you would know me better. I'm a big believer in the value of intellectual property.

However... and there are some big howevers. Jeff needs to learn a bit about how those laws work. There is the law of fair use:

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

Which I pointed out to Jeff the first time he started this nonsense applied to Terry's video. In fact, a read of all this would be of use to him:

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/

Anyway, I still have to figure out what I've done wrong. There's a pdf file of Jeff's map that hundreds - possibly thousands - of people have. I was not responsible for its creation or dissemination. I believe in intellectual property. I've repeatedly stated that I paid full price for that map, and love it.

But boy, and I sick of threats, veiled and unveiled, as well as nonsense like that which you propagate above, against my own character. And you, Bill, are far too clever a man to be joining in this nonsense.

If you want to discuss this be a man and call me at 310 9042982. Not this veiled nonsense on this website.

Boy. And I thought we were friends.

I will point out that I'm not going to sit here taking this nonsense. If people want to react in this way, then I will act back against them. I'm not into physical responses, but I'm willing to debate, mock, and otherwise respond to this puerile, infuriating, petty nonsense. Which was the tenet of my earlier jibe.

Oh - and Bill is of course perfectly right about books charging different prices in different places. Market segmentation and price discrimination is one of the most important ideas in marketing. What on earth makes anyone think that only one price should be charged for a product? I'm not going to go into it now, but there's a huge amount of social good that comes from price discrimination. If book manufacturers were forced to see al one price they wouldn't drop to $40, they'd only cater to the high price segment at $100, and many third world students would be less educated. And why do you think you're osed money for your used book? The value is in your reading it - and it's used! So you've taken the intellectual content. There's a paper by a famous economist at yale on textbook versions to exactly this point, demonstrating that frequent updates on textbooks (thereby killing the old textbook's 2nd hand market value) helps support the intellectual content of that book. Look up Judy Chevalier for more.

Sorry for the delayed response, i have been traveling. I will give you a ring (I do my best at the be a man thing and, for the most part, i think i have been successful at it) when back in the office tommorrow. I have read the tds posts regarding the sweet surprise mainland video and understand that you had nothing to do with that. I was not in any way suggesting that you infringed and your comments about others thinking that you had the map up as a pdf i had never heard before. The intellectual property comments were simply there to, perhaps, allow you to develop some empathy for how jh might feel if his work was being infringed. We are all not ip attornies and have limited info and many misconceptions about the process.

I will say one more time that i think your in public tongue in cheek jab at jeff was a bit over the top...perhaps i am wrong here but if someone suggested to me that i was a beggar i would not be pleased (I have observed jeff give his map away for free ((free of charge)) whenever he thought someone could not afford it or had a need to use it). My post was simply a public response to that jab suggesting you were off base and nothing more than that. My first instinct (which in hindsight may have been better) was, as a moderator here, to delete that phrase from your post as a violation of rule 6 but other moderators let it stand so i responded. Clearly you are a bit sensitive about these issues and i think you have read things into my words that are not there.

Yes i thought and still think that we are friends and i am still friends with jeff as well. If jeff had said the same thing or something similar about you on this forum i would have responded to that as well.

Ip is interesting and I was the tech transfer officer for my university when i was research vp...your office appears to be typical and has the info readily available for all to use which is why i suggested to you to go there to begin with:

http://www.research.ucla.edu/oipa/

Where this is now was certainly not the purpose of this thread and i do not want to redirect it any further. Your exploration is definitely an accomplishment...i have been a short way into that knarly tunnel...and will work a bit on my sidemount tank removal in the front of the cave before i go back. I also swam there from the henkel the last time and will do like everyone else and scooter to the end of the gold line next time. Bill