Woohoo, congrats Andrew.... :)

[aainslie]

Well, enough people know that I can start going semi public. Especially since I've finished diving. I mapped a bunch of stuff in the new passage at Ginnie. I promised Rich and Larry an exclusive for NACD so you'll have to wait. The story will include my map - FOR FREE ( )life's too short to beg people to pay me $150 for one, and threaten them when their friends use a blurred copy in their videos.

...Actually truth be told, my survey quality wasn't that high. But it makes for a cool story.

A teaser - the new deepest point in Ginnie is 150 feet deep!!!

[fixxervi6]

ah, starting to make sense, now, I'm guessing you used a snippet of a devils map in a video and pissed some people off.

Who is it that owns the rights to that expensive map, because the cartography is listed as Steve Berman.

I don't mind buying CDS maps because they don't cost $150.00 and the money goes toward the CDS, I assume, but never been able to bring myself to laying out for that ginnie map.

[MengTze]

Well I know it was a set of hard dives and a lot of work. Congrats Andrew, you have done it!

[TonyDCaver]

Thats great! Can't wait to read about it!

[Gary]

Thats great! Can't wait to read about it!

Ditto!

[LiteHedded]

Andrew it was great meeting with you after your dive on saturday. thanks for taking the time to share what you're doing with us.
it's fascinating stuff for sure!

-Brian

[wingman]

Well, enough people know that I can start going semi public. Especially since I've finished diving. I mapped a bunch of stuff in the new passage at Ginnie. I promised Rich and Larry an exclusive for NACD so you'll have to wait. The story will include my map - FOR FREE ( )life's too short to beg people to pay me $150 for one, and threaten them when their friends use a blurred copy in their videos.

...Actually truth be told, my survey quality wasn't that high. But it makes for a cool story.

A teaser - the new deepest point in Ginnie is 150 feet deep!!!

Begging? and from a business school marketing professor no less....for free? Let me explain the concept of opportunity cost to you when you have the time

Bill Huth

[aainslie]

Begging? and from a business school marketing professor no less....for free? Let me explain the concept of opportunity cost to you when you have the time

Bill Huth

Dude, we're academics... we hand away research for free all the time. The idea being, it promotes increased trade of ideas. Which is what I'm hoping to achieve - I hope to get otehrs to give me data so we can grow the map.

Anyway it was just a tongue in cheek jab at... well, you know who. Frankly I think his map is extraordinary, a far higher quality than I intend to produce, And worth every cent of the $150 that I paid.

[wingman]

Dude, we're academics... we hand away research for free all the time. The idea being, it promotes increased trade of ideas. Which is what I'm hoping to achieve - I hope to get otehrs to give me data so we can grow the map.

Anyway it was just a tongue in cheek jab at... well, you know who. Frankly I think his map is extraordinary, a far higher quality than I intend to produce, And worth every cent of the $150 that I paid.

Yes we do, but we also participate in the textbook business as well and if you spent a year or so on a marketing text and then found out that it was being downloading as a scanned pdf instead of purchased you might not be very happy about it. Intellectual property is just that and there are rights as you well know...actually when it comes to "research" take a look at what your tech transfer office thinks about handing research (that has commercial value) away for free...the free trade of ideas is a bit naive these days, more so in the hard sciences of course.

Dude, the tongue was outside the cheek on that one in my humble opinion...Your discipline has developed begging (the corporate type) to a fine art and you have devoted yourself to the teaching and research of that art....i just found your use of the term in its context given your discipline a bit ironic.

I'm glad to hear that you appreciate the quality that the map represents...it was certainly something that most of us can aspire to but never achieve and in the end we all still stand on the shoulders of those who went before us...

[sdenney]

Yes we do, but we also participate in the textbook business as well and if you spent a year or so on a marketing text and then found out that it was being downloading as a scanned pdf instead of purchased you might not be very happy about it. Intellectual property is just that and there are rights as you well know...actually when it comes to "research" take a look at what your tech transfer office thinks about handing research (that has commercial value) away for free...the free trade of ideas is a bit naive these days, more so in the hard sciences of course.

Yes, you textbook people are so honest in your business dealings. When you try to sell US students a book at $200 and then turn around and sell to international students the same book for $40, there's a big problem. When you are using the same textbook the next semester and will only buy back my barely used one for $5, there's a problem.

Free collaborative efforts have spawned some of the most incredible ideas and products, the most prominent this day and age has been Linux. It is a collaborative idea nearly 20 years in the making and is embedded in many of todays home electronics.

If Andrew chooses to produce his map for free, then so be it. (I could see charging for the print and lamination if he comes out with a paper version).

And Andrew, congratulations on your accomplishment.