Beware:(

[Higgins]

I did my first class with these two 10 years ago with a group of friends from Germany.
Later we sent dozens of people to do the same through our dive shop in Hamburg.
Since we are living in Florida, we just referred new divers to them, the last ones end last year.

We sometimes paid early, but sometimes they just didn't even asked for money in advance.
We never had any problems, they are in my humble opinion some of the nicest and most professional cave instructors, well spoken, friendly, always helpful, not hunting every dollar you have, extending course times and training dives if they feel it's necessary without ever having charged for their extra time. We forgot dive stuff at their place just to get it back on the next visit one year later. We were offered free fresh ups, got some rental equipment for free because ours broke.

So as usual there are always 2 sides.
Probably they should just have said forget the refund and get lost.
But that's not their style. The style of others can be seen in this thread.

And my name is Michael Barth and I live in Crystal River, So far to rule number 6.

[MengTze]

Two things this thread and on TDS taught me are: Cyber bullying works and you can keep at it because people will admire you for it......

[OneBrightGator]

Don't forget you can also be a passive-aggressive *******, and it's even more chicken **** then doing it in person.

You can also get your point across by bleeping out your own expletives.

[jeandiver]

Or you can just go diving and be happy !

Beano

[cejott]

I did my first class with these two 10 years ago with a group of friends from Germany.

I was one of them and it was one of the best courses I ever had!

And now I´m sending people from the divebase I`m running in Norway because of the excellent education I´ve got with the Orlowskis. These 2 people - as far as I know them - spend a lot of time with their students without getting paid at all. Of course they are earning money with cave instructions, but money isn´t all! They give a lot more to their students.

I cannot understand why a thing like this is to be discussed here. If it occured the way it was written here, who knows what was before? I´m sure they had strong reasons - as far as I know them. The one who started this thread forgets, that everyone normally only mentions his own point of view!

No one has the right to talk that way about other members without knowing the backgrounds. This could mean to ruin one´s business! Did you think about?

We never had any problems, they are in my humble opinion some of the nicest and most professional cave instructors, well spoken, friendly, always helpful, not hunting every dollar you have, extending course times and training dives if they feel it's necessary without ever having charged for their extra time. We forgot dive stuff at their place just to get it back on the next visit one year later. We were offered free fresh ups, got some rental equipment for free because ours broke.

Yes indeed! I will always recommend them for everyone interested in cave diving.

So as usual there are always 2 sides.
Probably they should just have said forget the refund and get lost.
But that's not their style. The style of others can be seen in this thread.

That´s it!

My name is Christiane Jurick, German full cave diver living in Norway