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[Sludge]

What are you smoking?

I'm curious as to why you would ask that. Some people have a hard time reaching their valves, and in the event Mike described, it's very possible the diver would not be able to reach them at all.

[Scubastud16]

What I can't figure out is why it's 'no big deal' to some that the rednecks are screwing with life support equipment?

[Wizard]

Russell, I think what Jason meant was if you are doing a giant stride two things should already be happening.
1 Wing aired up pretty tight
2 Reg in mouth breathing it

I can't imaging someone walking up and jumping in or getting close enough to fall in before those two things are going on. Although I've seen it done twice.
To walk up, plug reg in mouth and jump in and "hope stuff works right" is just wrong in so many ways. Never take anything for granted.
Always breathe reg 4 or 5 times to make sure sufficient air flow is there. Try both regs if swimming in a congested area like Ginnie, tell buddy to double check valves if you can't reach them.

[Line Squirrel]

What are you smoking?

So you're saying what? It can't happen?

Well, it did happen at P1 to a rather well known diver several years back. He would have drowned with all his gear on in 10-15ft of water if someone had not gone in after him.

Some people have a hard time reaching their valves, and in the event Mike described, it's very possible the diver would not be able to reach them at all.

And the diver I'm referring to did not normally have a hard time reaching his valves but with the squeeze on his drysuit it was impossible.

Wing aired up pretty tight

Which I did say in my post (actually I said "ample gas in your wings") But Jason chose to ignore that.

I can't imaging someone walking up and jumping in or getting close enough to fall in before those two things are going on. Although I've seen it done twice.

Wow...we must be smoking the same thing

[Jason B.]

Some people have a hard time reaching their valves,

Then they might not ought to be diving an isolation manifold in an overhead.

So you're saying what? It can't happen?

Well, it did happen at P1 to a rather well known diver several years back. He would have drowned with all his gear on in 10-15ft of water if someone had not gone in after him.



And the diver I'm referring to did not normally have a hard time reaching his valves but with the squeeze on his drysuit it was impossible.

My experience has taught me different than your "rather well known diver".
I don't typically add air until I get much deeper than 15ft of water (and can still perform a valve flow check).

Which I did say in my post (actually I said "ample gas in your wings") But Jason chose to ignore that.

Not hardly - it had no bearing on my comment.

Wow...we must be smoking the same thing

Where did he say he saw them not be able to reach their valves due to the squeeze in 15ft of water?

[Line Squirrel]

Then they might not ought to be diving an isolation manifold in an overhead.

I don't dissagree with you and in fact I would take it one step furthur, overhead shouldn't have anything to do with it, if you can't reach valves you could find yourself in just as much trouble in o/w as in a cave or wreck.

My experience has taught me different than your "rather well known diver".
I don't typically add air until I get much deeper than 15ft of water (and can still perform a valve flow check).

Terrific! You're a better diver than GI3 But don't tell him it can't happen and didn't happen. Who knows, he could have started off with a bit of a squeeze on his suit before he walked to the water.

Not hardly - it had no bearing on my comment.


Where did he say he saw them not be able to reach their valves due to the squeeze in 15ft of water?

You got me there, I agree these two have no bearing on your comment(s).

[Mike Edmonston]

I am a tad baffled Jason,

Are you and marinediver now defending the rights of people who turn off our air because it's no big deal?

[marinediver]

I didnt say that anyone had a right to touch some ones gear. I am just saying that everyone that keeps saying that you could have died at the steps by the Eye needs to rethink what they are doing. If you are not capable of self rescue in that 4-6 feet of water then I dont feel you belong in the cave. You should be capable of rescuing yourself, your buddy is there to assist when needed. If you cant do a valve drill and get your gass back on there, what are you going to do if you have a major failure of the gass system 3,000 feet back in a cave? I would venture to say that you are going to die. If you cant calmy reach back and get the valve on or off and go screaming to a buddy for help in a blind panic then you have no worsend your problem, and are now risking his life. Go ahead and be mad that they shut off your gass, punch the guy in the face, I would have been madder than hell. But I am not going to get on the internet and scream that I could have died, and call the sherrif and that other nonsense. Now if it was a deeper area, like in orange grove, or where ever, it is a diferent story, there you are not able to push off the bottom with your feet and get your head out of the water.

[aainslie]

Err... isn't this about boomboxes?

I think someone should put a soda machine at the Bats, I always get really thirsty around there.

[Mike Edmonston]

I didnt say that anyone had a right to touch some ones gear. I am just saying that everyone that keeps saying that you could have died at the steps by the Eye needs to rethink what they are doing. If you are not capable of self rescue in that 4-6 feet of water then I dont feel you belong in the cave. You should be capable of rescuing yourself, your buddy is there to assist when needed. If you cant do a valve drill and get your gass back on there, what are you going to do if you have a major failure of the gass system 3,000 feet back in a cave? I would venture to say that you are going to die. If you cant calmy reach back and get the valve on or off and go screaming to a buddy for help in a blind panic then you have no worsend your problem, and are now risking his life. Go ahead and be mad that they shut off your gass, punch the guy in the face, I would have been madder than hell. But I am not going to get on the internet and scream that I could have died, and call the sherrif and that other nonsense. Now if it was a deeper area, like in orange grove, or where ever, it is a diferent story, there you are not able to push off the bottom with your feet and get your head out of the water.

I don't remember saying that I couldn't reach my valves, or not capable of self rescue. Also I wasn't screaming on the internet about almost being killed! I was posting a heads up, and a reminder to all to please check your valves when going in, and not get complacent about S-drills. I agree that some of the posts were silly, but entertaining nonetheless.

Anyway, there is already a thread about this, back to the original topic.

Andrew, does the coke machine take dollars or do I have to bring change??