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  1. #71
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    Default Re: hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Widiver_Paul
    I'm not saying I don't understand John 3:16 and that every time I get to the water i'm not squared away mentally enough to be ready to "go somewhere else"; I am and I do.

    It's just the last person that came right out and started preaching at me was at a Lake in Texas, a park, in 1990.

    That was David Koresh.
    Now I don't keep a diary but that might have made me start one. Your feelings are duly noted!
    Thanks for your thoughts,
    Kenny P.


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    Default Available Gas

    Quote Originally Posted by Widiver_Paul
    How is it that the other 2 in the team weren't wondering why diver #3 wasn't turning the dive far earlier knowing he had only approx. 43cf of back gas to penetrate???
    **I am not trying to justify the choices they made, just discuss the gas situation and why they might have expected to get to their destination**

    From the rumors I have heard he had a single 120 on his back and was carrying a stage (120 + 80 = 200). That is what my doubles hold and would give him 67 cuft to penetrate (200 / 3 = 67). I wouldn't go hang out in Henley's with only that much gas, but I certainly could get there and back without a problem.

    In addition it sounds like one of his buddies was carrying a safety bottle that got handed off which MAY have been full (200 + 80 = 280 cuft total) or MAY have been partially empty (200 + 60 = 260 cuft total). We don't know how much gas he had remaining at that point, he might have had only what was in the stage. That said, he must have used MORE than his 67 cuft to get in, because he asked for more air..


    Quote Originally Posted by Widiver_Paul
    Would it be wise to make P3 Full Cave, no training and/or Abe Davis only?

    Maybe we should have a poll on this one as to whether we should try to save people from themselves again with another sign....
    There is a LOT of cave in there that is pretty shallow, with vis ranging from 50'-60' on a good day to 5' on a bad day. A diver can choose NOT TO go down into Henley's castle.

    I think the cave has a lot to offer a wide range of divers, and it would be really sad to me if it was closed off to people because it has one deep spot (that you have to go out of your way to get to). Following this logic Peacock would be closed to anyone not full cave/abe davis, because of the Crypt, and Little River would be closed to anyone not full cave/abe davis because of the deep section, among other caves. 'Protecting' people from themselves is a dangerous road, and reinforces the idea that they don't have to think for themselves since someone else is taking care of it for them.



 

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